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 Final Table Deals?, Alysia Chang, 14. Jul 2003 15:08 | ||
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| I made it to my first final table ever two nights ago and noticed that the short stacked players were trying to cut deals left and right. It's not that I'm greedy (okay a little), but I don't understand the etiquette and how I should handle the situation without coming across as being mean. After six players got out, I was the chip leader by almost double the chips of the next biggest chip holder. Again, there was pressure to cut deals. I'd never been put in this situation before and the proposed deal would have reduced the prize money of first place by 1/3. I did not go along with the deal, leaving the others to decide how they'd split their money. Needless to say, this made me quite unpopular. Although this was at a smaller casino, I'd like to know the proper way of handling it the next time I get lucky enough to get that far. Anyone have any ideas? | ||
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| Re: Final Table Deals?, Risky Business, 14. Jul 2003 15:13 | ||
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| Just say "I'll play", and stare at your chips, cards, whatever.....keep playing until they make a real offer. They could be doing it just to get you to try to finish the game early by playing the wrong hands. Watch out!! on 14. Jul 2003 15:08 Alysia Chang wrote: > I made it to my first final table ever two nights ago and noticed that the short > stacked players were trying to cut deals left and right. It's not that I'm > greedy (okay a little), but I don't understand the etiquette and how I should > handle the situation without coming across as being mean. After six players got > out, I was the chip leader by almost double the chips of the next biggest chip > holder. Again, there was pressure to cut deals. > > I'd never been put in this situation before and the proposed deal would have > reduced the prize money of first place by 1/3. I did not go along with the > deal, leaving the others to decide how they'd split their money. Needless to > say, this made me quite unpopular. Although this was at a smaller casino, I'd > like to know the proper way of handling it the next time I get lucky enough to > get that far. Anyone have any ideas? | ||
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| Re: Final Table Deals?, Big_Slick, 14. Jul 2003 15:13 | ||
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| 1) Simply say "no thank you." No explanation is needed. 2) If you want to get cute, say "OK... since I'm the favorite to win, how about a 90/10 split?" 3) "I was offered this same deal at the 1998 World Series Of Poker. I didn't take it then and I'm not taking it now." 4) Use it to get a mental edge on your opponents. "Worried, huh?" Then drop the subject. 5) "Who do I look like, Monty Hall??" Don't worry about insulting anyone. They are the ones bringing it up in the first place. Personally, I think deal making is weak. | ||
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| Re: Final Table Deals?, 4 POKER, 14. Jul 2003 17:23 | ||
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| I agree Slick (and funny post BTW)! If you want to cut a deal than make sure it's a good one for you, too. If you never want to make deals, than just say so. Noone said you *have* to make any deals in a tournament, and personally....I wish there weren't any but that's just MO. Remember, the players that are asking to make the deals, are usually the ones who have the short stacks and are trying to make a little more money than if they just continued on. If that's their objective, than so be it.....just make sure that you are not getting the short end of the stick. Calculate everything (prize money, chip position, and the limits as well) because even if you are the current CL (chip leader), if the limits were extremely high or if it were N/L, then making a deal might not be that bad for you either. But it's still ok to JUST SAY NO! (in a nice way of course)! 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Final Table Deals?, LJH, 14. Jul 2003 19:23 | ||
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| ALYSIA, PLAYING TOURNAMENTS IS NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST. YOU OWE THEM NO EXPLANATION AND CAN AND SHOULD SAY NO. LJH | ||
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| Re: Final Table Deals?, gary ford, 14. Jul 2003 21:19 | ||
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| on 14. Jul 2003 15:08 Alysia Chang wrote: > I made it to my first final table ever two nights ago and noticed that the short > stacked players were trying to cut deals left and right. It's not that I'm > greedy (okay a little), but I don't understand the etiquette and how I should > handle the situation without coming across as being mean. After six players got > out, I was the chip leader by almost double the chips of the next biggest chip > holder. Again, there was pressure to cut deals. > > I'd never been put in this situation before and the proposed deal would have > reduced the prize money of first place by 1/3. I did not go along with the > deal, leaving the others to decide how they'd split their money. Needless to > say, this made me quite unpopular. Although this was at a smaller casino, I'd > like to know the proper way of handling it the next time I get lucky enough to > get that far. Anyone have any ideas? Alysia ( lovely name ) you did the right thing. At the time of the proposed deal, how many players were left? How did you ultimately finish? The deal was proposed because they thought they could bluff you into giving up some of your potential winnings, since I'm sure they knew this was your first final table. You had nothing to gain and everything to lose. Your chip position was very powerful and you could have crushed the short stacks. That is what they were afraid of. If you continue to play tournaments, read a couple of books that cover final table play. Standing your ground and refusing a deal was even more important than making the final table. Congratulations Gary | ||
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| Everyone's so helpful, Paintballgirl, 15. Jul 2003 07:07 | ||
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| I just feel that if a player wants more money, the should just play better. LOL. I don't see the people in 7th and 8th place kicking down a buck or two to those who finished 27th or 28th. Anyhow, I did have 1st locked up...and then I threw it on purpose. My reasoning (correct or not) was that the person in second place was a local and a "regular" at the casino, whereas I was some yahoo who had never set foot inside and the casino had made NO money off of me. For me to sweep in there and take first didn't quite seem to be the right thing to do. Besides, since the local was well known and liked and was someone who probably would convince other players to enter tournaments (thereby INCREASING the value of the prizes the next go around). It seemed to make sense at the time and it makes sense now. When the purse is bigger, I think I want people to think I choke under pressure and that the last time I got to the final table, it was just a lucky fluke. The last thing I want them to think is that I play well... | ||
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| Re: Final Table Deals?, gary ford, 14. Jul 2003 21:32 | ||
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| on 14. Jul 2003 15:08 Alysia Chang wrote: > I made it to my first final table ever two nights ago and noticed that the short > stacked players were trying to cut deals left and right. It's not that I'm > greedy (okay a little), but I don't understand the etiquette and how I should > handle the situation without coming across as being mean. After six players got > out, I was the chip leader by almost double the chips of the next biggest chip > holder. Again, there was pressure to cut deals. > > I'd never been put in this situation before and the proposed deal would have > reduced the prize money of first place by 1/3. I did not go along with the > deal, leaving the others to decide how they'd split their money. Needless to > say, this made me quite unpopular. Although this was at a smaller casino, I'd > like to know the proper way of handling it the next time I get lucky enough to > get that far. Anyone have any ideas? Alysia ( lovely name ) you did the right thing. Why would you agree to a reduction of 1/3 when you were in control of the table? I'm assuming there were 4 players left. You, the player with 1/2 the # of chips you had, and 2 short stacks. I'm also assuming that they all knew it was your first final table. They tried totake advantage of that fact and i would hazard a guess that they thought they could pressure a girl--as bad as that sounds. You showed lots of guts to stand up to them and I congratulate you for that.How did it finally turn out? Did you win? No matter----final table and shorthanded play is different than regular play. There are some excellent books that cover these topics.And I hope you continue to post here on UPF Gary | ||
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| Re: Final Table Deals?, flintsword, 14. Jul 2003 22:59 | ||
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| If you want a good role model for an "anti-deal" world-class player, look no further than Daniel Negreanu. He has a VERY INTERESTING slant on the inherent weakness of players making deals, which you can read in the following article: "Let's Make a Deal? I Think Not!" www.cardplayer.com/?sec=afeature&art_id=446 ... and then there is Daniel's description of his big game facing Eskimo Joe, where not making a deal gave him (in his words) a sizable advantage in confidence. The link for that great story is: www.cardplayer.com/?sec=afeature&art_id=328 Hope this helps in answering your question. flintsword | ||
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| Re: Final Table Deals?, DRich, 15. Jul 2003 08:27 | ||
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| Alysia, You made an interesting point that no one else has commented on yet. You referred to the fact that you decided not to make a deal but left the others to divide up their portions. In most tournaments that is not allowed because it is considered collusion. All players must agree to a deal or there should be no deal. DRich | ||
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| Re: Final Table Deals?, stdioh, 15. Jul 2003 11:29 | ||
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| I always find it funny when I am the giant stack and the baby stacks try to make an even split and call me a grouch for wanting to play. Don't worry about it. Play the tournament and refuse all deals unless they give you a total sweetheart deal. If they don't like it, tough titties - you're playing in a poker tournament - you aren't a contestant on lets make a deal. | ||
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| Re: Final Table Deals?, gary ford, 15. Jul 2003 17:25 | ||
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| Alysia-- can i ssume you are also paintballgirl? Gary | ||
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| Re: Final Table Deals?, Paintballgirl, 16. Jul 2003 08:20 | ||
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| That's me! | ||
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