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 HUGE Tourney = Train Wreck, Risky Business, 10. Jul 2003 12:47 | ||
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| By last night's count, there was already in excess of 1100 participants signed up for this Friday's semi-final for the PPM cruise. That's 2 full tables....probably 3 by the time it starts, going on the cruise. I'd hate to be on that bubble. It's going to be 6 in the morning to boot. What type of server problems do you think they'll encounter on a Friday night with an 1100 person tournament. In the hour that I was on the site looking for details and such, the Sunday tournament went from 850 to 890. I am not looking forward to starting with a short stack, and I am appalled at the length of such a tournament, due to its limit format. (I am not appalled often) This begs to be No Limit, and I would think they would want it that way to clear the air ways. Oh well, just venting. | ||
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| Re: HUGE Tourney = Train Wreck, Big_Slick, 10. Jul 2003 13:01 | ||
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| I was trying to decide if my odds were better against 850 or 1100 people and figured that it didn't really matter. The bottom line is this... people with extra starting chips are at a huge advantage. Even then, if the cards don't come, you are likely to be facing an early exit. If there are server problems, I'm going to shit a cow! (And there is no +EV with THAT play!) | ||
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| HUGE Tourney / Short Stack, Risky Business, 10. Jul 2003 13:14 | ||
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| I'm going to go ahead and play from $1000. I'm counting on a lot of over anxious people that won't understand the length of such a tournament to build my stack for me. But yes, I do need some cards within the first 4 rounds. I'm confident in my shortstack game, and I understand that anytime I bet, they're going to raise me. My goal is to win 3 hands in the first hour. That should get me close to 2000 and put me right around the losing players that started with 3000. If that happens, I'll have the attention of the other players, giving me the opportunity to make more moves on them. See any big problems in my strategy?? (that could change with the complexion of the table) | ||
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| Re: HUGE Tourney / Short Stack, Mike812, 10. Jul 2003 13:24 | ||
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| Risky, I am also in the tourney on Sunday. I don't see anything wrong with your strategy. I have the max chips of 3000, and I am going to play super-tight for the first hour and make bets if I have the nuts. Do you think that it is a good strategy? I don't think bullying smaller stacks on the table early on is a good strategy b/c I have more to lose than to gain. Someone can double up will I lose a lot of chips, and when the antes are only 10/15 I dont think that gaining an extra 100 means that much to me early on. What do you think? Thanks Mike www.pokeranon.com on 10. Jul 2003 13:14 Risky Business wrote: > I'm going to go ahead and play from $1000. I'm counting on a lot of over anxious people > that won't understand the length of such a tournament to build my stack for me. But yes, > I do need some cards within the first 4 rounds. > I'm confident in my shortstack game, and I understand that anytime I bet, they're going > to raise me. My goal is to win 3 hands in the first hour. That should get me close to > 2000 and put me right around the losing players that started with 3000. If that happens, > I'll have the attention of the other players, giving me the opportunity to make more moves > on them. > See any big problems in my strategy?? (that could change with the complexion of the > table) www.pokeranon.com | ||
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| Re: HUGE Tourney / Short Stack, Risky Business, 10. Jul 2003 14:04 | ||
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| You're right in that regard.........I'm the one that needs to win pots, and hope folks like you aren't hitting the nuts. However, with my small stack, I really expect the big stacks will be more likely to call or raise my early round cheap bets rather than letting me get off without a bet. Hopefully, you'll all just fold. Now if big stacks show power against big stacks, I can see them folding for longevity. Sure wish I was playing No Limit. I'd be either out of it, or tripled up within the first hour against so many players playing "not to lose", instead of playing to win. on 10. Jul 2003 13:24 Mike812 wrote: > Risky, > > I am also in the tourney on Sunday. I don't see anything wrong with your strategy. I have > the max chips of 3000, and I am going to play super-tight for the first hour and make bets if I > have the nuts. Do you think that it is a good strategy? I don't think bullying smaller stacks > on the table early on is a good strategy b/c I have more to lose than to gain. Someone can > double up will I lose a lot of chips, and when the antes are only 10/15 I dont think that > gaining an extra 100 means that much to me early on. What do you think? Thanks > > Mike > > www.pokeranon.com > > on 10. Jul 2003 13:14 Risky Business wrote: > > I'm going to go ahead and play from $1000. I'm counting on a lot of over anxious people > > that won't understand the length of such a tournament to build my stack for me. But yes, > > I do need some cards within the first 4 rounds. > > I'm confident in my shortstack game, and I understand that anytime I bet, they're going > > to raise me. My goal is to win 3 hands in the first hour. That should get me close to > > 2000 and put me right around the losing players that started with 3000. If that happens, > > I'll have the attention of the other players, giving me the opportunity to make more moves > > > on them. > > See any big problems in my strategy?? (that could change with the complexion of the > > table) > www.pokeranon.com | ||
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| Re: HUGE Tourney / Short Stack, beigs, 10. Jul 2003 14:21 | ||
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| You never know. Those big stacks are the people who play a lot. Not necessarily those who play well. In the few tournaments I've entered, it seems to be a universal truth that the early chip leader will be one of the first out. A lot of players just play silly when they have the lead thinking they can play more and it won't hurt as much. I may be wrong. Just my observation. You'll spot the good players right away. That'll make strategizing easier. on 10. Jul 2003 14:04 Risky Business wrote: > You're right in that regard.........I'm the one that needs to win pots, and hope folks like you > aren't hitting the nuts. However, with my small stack, I really expect the big stacks will be more > likely to call or raise my early round cheap bets rather than letting me get off without a bet. > Hopefully, you'll all just fold. > Now if big stacks show power against big stacks, I can see them folding for longevity. > Sure wish I was playing No Limit. I'd be either out of it, or tripled up within the first hour > against so many players playing "not to lose", instead of playing to win. > > > > on 10. Jul 2003 13:24 Mike812 wrote: > > Risky, > > > > I am also in the tourney on Sunday. I don't see anything wrong with your strategy. I have > > the max chips of 3000, and I am going to play super-tight for the first hour and make bets if I > > > have the nuts. Do you think that it is a good strategy? I don't think bullying smaller stacks > > > on the table early on is a good strategy b/c I have more to lose than to gain. Someone can > > double up will I lose a lot of chips, and when the antes are only 10/15 I dont think that > > gaining an extra 100 means that much to me early on. What do you think? Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > www.pokeranon.com > > > > on 10. Jul 2003 13:14 Risky Business wrote: > > > I'm going to go ahead and play from $1000. I'm counting on a lot of over anxious people > > > that won't understand the length of such a tournament to build my stack for me. But yes, > > > I do need some cards within the first 4 rounds. > > > I'm confident in my shortstack game, and I understand that anytime I bet, they're going > > > to raise me. My goal is to win 3 hands in the first hour. That should get me close to > > > 2000 and put me right around the losing players that started with 3000. If that happens, > > > I'll have the attention of the other players, giving me the opportunity to make more moves > > > > > on them. > > > See any big problems in my strategy?? (that could change with the complexion of the > > > table) > > www.pokeranon.com | ||
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| Re: HUGE Tourney / Short Stack, MozMan, 10. Jul 2003 14:26 | ||
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| >>>A lot of players just play silly when they have the lead thinking they can play more and it won't hurt as much.<<< This is very true. You see a lot of this in rebuy events, too. Many players will immediately rebuy to double up, then try to bully everyone else at the table. They may get away with it a couple of times, but eventually, someone calls with AA or something and puts a serious chink in their armor. I often watch the leader board when I play big tourneys, and I'm starting to recognize a lot of players at UB. It's amazing how often I will see a player with a commanding chip lead in 1st place during the first 60-90 minutes, then see their name again as they bust out at 110 or so maybe a half hour later. -Moz "The reports of my assimilation are greatly exaggerated." | ||
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| Re: HUGE Tourney / Short Stack, stdioh, 10. Jul 2003 14:29 | ||
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| It is a good idea to go all in preflop with very good hands for value when isolated against a small stack. Basically if you get somebody desperate shoving all in preflop you can call with something like AQo or QQ because they are desperate enough that they could have any pair or any ace. You're also in a position that if you happen to have a coin flip, you can afford the gamble whereas they cannot. This is a great way to chip up safely with hands like QQ and AQ whereas playing them to a flop against other large stacks is more dangerous. | ||
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| Re: HUGE Tourney / Short Stack, Risky Business, 10. Jul 2003 15:23 | ||
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| This tourney is limit. If I'm around when your advice is warranted, then I've achieved my goal of catching up, and I'll move on to my general tournament strategy. I concur with your approach though. | ||
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| ARGH!, stdioh, 10. Jul 2003 15:26 | ||
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| Every time I open my mouth about a tournament it seems I'm being told, "This is a limit tournament dumbass!" Why are there even limit tournaments in existence? They are so craptacular. :( | ||
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| Re: ARGH!, mkpoker, 10. Jul 2003 17:49 | ||
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| All these limit tournaments are related to the Party Poker Million, which is itself a Limit tourney. If the final tourney is limit, it makes sense that the satellites to it are limit, also. ...And anyone who's ready your posts wouldn't call you a dumbass! (maybe wren, but that's a different story). | ||
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| Re: ARGH!, stdioh, 11. Jul 2003 10:12 | ||
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| Yeah. I guess the million is a limit tourney so it makes sense. Hmmmm...I imagine that a limit tourney would be ok if you were playing against decent opponents. I just hate playing them against fish because you get drawn out on *SO* much. | ||
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| Re: ARGH!, MozMan, 11. Jul 2003 10:47 | ||
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| Yeah, when the competition is solid, limit tourneys are a LOT of fun. I've played a couple online now, and I play the bigger ($20) limit SNGs every so often at UB and usually have a blast. All the fish want to play is NL, and they won't play a limit game unless it's only $5 and there are no NLs available, so the $20 ones are usually pretty good and packed with worthwhile competition. -Moz "The reports of my assimilation are greatly exaggerated." | ||
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| Re: ARGH!, beigs, 11. Jul 2003 11:30 | ||
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| Someone mentioned this in another post, but the advantage to limit tourneys is that a bad beat won't cripple you. This has helped my success in limit tourneys immensely because those players who play irresponsibly will suck out on you once or twice, but they will be the first ones knocked out of the tournament. on 11. Jul 2003 10:12 stdioh wrote: > Yeah. I guess the million is a limit tourney so it makes sense. Hmmmm...I imagine that a limit tourney would be ok if > you were playing against decent opponents. I just hate playing them against fish because you get drawn out on *SO* much. > | ||
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| Re: HUGE Tourney = Train Wreck, stdioh, 10. Jul 2003 13:18 | ||
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| What is the buy in? | ||
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| Re: HUGE Tourney = Train Wreck, Risky Business, 10. Jul 2003 13:19 | ||
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| This is the partypoker million semi-final. on 10. Jul 2003 13:18 stdioh wrote: > What is the buy in? | ||
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| Re: HUGE Tourney = Train Wreck, stdioh, 10. Jul 2003 13:20 | ||
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| So everybody got there via satelite or what? I know nothing about the structure before the final event. | ||
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| Re: HUGE Tourney = Train Wreck, Risky Business, 10. Jul 2003 13:22 | ||
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| Yep, sorry, we've won a $25 10-person satellite...or....you could simply buy your way into the semi-finals with $200. on 10. Jul 2003 13:20 stdioh wrote: > So everybody got there via satelite or what? I know nothing about the structure before the final event. | ||
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| Re: HUGE Tourney = Train Wreck, stdioh, 10. Jul 2003 13:29 | ||
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| So then why do the players have different chipstacks? Do you get a maximum stack if you buy in for $200? | ||
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| Re: HUGE Tourney = Train Wreck, Mike812, 10. Jul 2003 13:32 | ||
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| If you buy-in or win a satellite, you get 1000 chips. Then you can accumulate chips by playing 200 raked hands for 200 extra chips. Or you can win a sit-n-go and accumulate 100 chips. You can accumulate a max of 2000 chips for the tourney for a total of 3000 chips all-together Mike www.pokeranon.com | ||
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| Re: HUGE Tourney = Train Wreck, stdioh, 10. Jul 2003 13:49 | ||
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| That is a clever way of getting players to put in a lot of action. You would be an idiot not to play with 3000 chips and that means playing in 2000 hands. Playing 3 tables at once on fast shorthanded tables, you would be looking at putting in a bare minimum of 10 full hours in prep. | ||
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| Re: HUGE Tourney = Train Wreck, Mike812, 10. Jul 2003 13:29 | ||
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| RIsky, What is your screename on partypoker? Just in case I run into you and your trying to steal my blinds. jk Mike www.pokeranon.com | ||
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| Re: HUGE Tourney = Train Wreck, Mike812, 10. Jul 2003 13:34 | ||
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| Risky, I agree with the no-limit format. With 1000 people playing limit hold 'em, this tournament will last from 10-12 hours if not more. But as the blinds increase, the people left in the tournament will decrease so thats how I look at it mike www.pokeranon.com | ||
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| Re: HUGE Tourney = Train Wreck, Big_Slick, 10. Jul 2003 16:25 | ||
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| How often are the blinds increasing? Anyone know? | ||
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| Re: HUGE Tourney = Train Wreck, Big_Slick, 10. Jul 2003 16:41 | ||
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| OK... I answered my own question. With the limits rising every 20 minutes, do you think this tourney will really take 8 hours to complete? I realize it's a limit tourney but still.... Structure: Limits will begin at $15/30 (Level 1) and progress as follows: Level 2 $20/40 Level 3 $30/60 Level 4 $50/100 Level 5 $100/200 Level 6 $200/400 Level 7 $300/600 Level 8 $400/800 Level 9 $500/1000 Level 10 $600/1200 Level 11 $800/1600 Level 12 $1000/2000 Level 13 $1500/3000 Level 14 $2000/4000 Level 15 $3000/6000 Level 16 $4000/8000 Level 17 $5000/10,000 Level 18 $6000/12,000 Level 19 $8000/16,000 Level 20 $10,000/20,000 Time of Play: Levels 1-9 will consist of 20 minutes each. Levels 10-19 will consist of 30 minutes each. Play will continue at Level 20 (if it goes that far) until the conclusion of the tournament. | ||
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