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 Big hand question, mkpoker, 9. Jul 2003 21:03 | ||
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| Just came in 2nd in a Party Satellite Limit HE Tournament (only 1st won a pass to the semis :( I think I played this hand right, but would value others' thoughts. We're heads up. I'm chip leader with 4700 to 3200. I'm dealt As Td. Blinds are 250/500. SB raises. I reraise, opponent calls. Flop comes 6h, 7d, Tc--I've flopped top pair with top kicker, a happy day with no flush draw on the board. I bet (500) and am called. Turn comes Qs. I bet again (1000), my opponent calls leaving her only with 250 and a huge pot (6000 or so). River is 9c. I bet again (knowing my opponent only has 250 left--I would have checked if she had more, but I was pot committed at that point anyway). She calls and turns over KT, for the winning straight. I lost soon thereafter. Looking back, I can't find an error here. Tell me where you think I went arwy or if I was just unlucky. | ||
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| Re: Big hand question, Big_Slick, 9. Jul 2003 21:10 | ||
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| Re-read your post, mk... I think you made a mistake. I don't see a straight. 6-7-10-Q-9 when your opponent has K-10. | ||
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| Re: Big hand question, mkpoker, 9. Jul 2003 21:16 | ||
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| Yes, sorry. Opponent had KJ, not KT. on 9. Jul 2003 21:10 Big_Slick wrote: > Re-read your post, mk... I think you made a mistake. I don't see a straight. > > 6-7-10-Q-9 when your opponent has K-10. | ||
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| Re: Big hand question, tron, 9. Jul 2003 22:09 | ||
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| I think you played it perfectly. If he raised you after u bet i would guess that an overpair or trips. So you knew u had the best of it. | ||
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| Re: Big hand question, shorn, 10. Jul 2003 04:59 | ||
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| I don't see any errors here. You got your $$ in with the best of it and she hit "perfect perfect" to beat you. I really like your turn bet so that in case she is now on a draw, you need to make her pay. Like you said, you could have checked the river and maybe saved $250, but you would be hard pressed to not call when she bets. Sorry about your close call, but well done to get to heads up and have someone else have to suck out to beat you. | ||
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| The worst part of the story, mkpoker, 10. Jul 2003 09:29 | ||
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| I was very happy with my play in the Satellite--probably the best I've ever played in a tournament (still learning this game). So after I lost, I went completely on tilt. At Party, the 2nd place finisher wins free re-entry into a satellite. I promptly reentered and busted out dead last, playing atrociously (at one point I four-bet 77 in middle position). THEN, after wasting my free-reentry, I played cash games for a while and did everything possible to play a little worse. The irony is that I knew I was "tilting," but for whatever reason, couldn't walk away. (I know, insert "self-control" lecture here...lesson learned). | ||
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| Re: Big hand question, stdioh, 10. Jul 2003 13:38 | ||
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| No. The error is that you didn't get enough $$ in while you had the best of it. You allowed your opponent to draw when you were vulnerable. | ||
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| Re: Big hand question, shorn, 11. Jul 2003 06:40 | ||
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| This was a limit tourny not no-limit, so I think he did the best he could. | ||
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| Re: Big hand question, stdioh, 11. Jul 2003 10:21 | ||
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| Indeed. My mistake. I think he played is just fine. | ||
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| Re: Big hand question, Jav, 10. Jul 2003 10:43 | ||
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| I think you played it fine. The only time you could have saved money was on the river, but if you checked and the other player had gone all-in for thier last $250 you probably would have called; so it's best just to bet it. Once you're heads up like that with big blinds one hand will make or break you. Sometimes you just get broke! | ||
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| Re: Big hand question, beigs, 10. Jul 2003 12:19 | ||
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| Some people have commented that they liked mk's bet when the Queen came on the Turn, but isn't that a major scare card? How aggressively should one play when a scare card like that comes out? Beigs on 9. Jul 2003 21:03 mkpoker wrote: > Just came in 2nd in a Party Satellite Limit HE Tournament (only 1st won a pass > to the semis :( > > I think I played this hand right, but would value others' thoughts. We're > heads up. I'm chip leader with 4700 to 3200. I'm dealt As Td. Blinds are > 250/500. SB raises. I reraise, opponent calls. > > Flop comes 6h, 7d, Tc--I've flopped top pair with top kicker, a happy day with > no flush draw on the board. I bet (500) and am called. Turn comes Qs. I bet > again (1000), my opponent calls leaving her only with 250 and a huge pot (6000 > or so). River is 9c. > > I bet again (knowing my opponent only has 250 left--I would have checked if she > had more, but I was pot committed at that point anyway). She calls and turns > over KT, for the winning straight. I lost soon thereafter. > > Looking back, I can't find an error here. Tell me where you think I went arwy > or if I was just unlucky. | ||
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| Re: Big hand question, shorn, 10. Jul 2003 12:39 | ||
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| I don't view a Queen as a scare card as much as an Ace or King when you have a medium pair. The only hand to be afraid of when the Queen falls is QQ which is unlikely given the preflop play (no cap). Additionally, if you had AQ KQ or QJ even which all represent two overcards to the flop, wouldn't you have raised the flop with them? I think the fact that she just called on the flopped spelled "I am on a draw", potentially with AK. Also, by betting the turn, she will tell you if you are beaten with a raise. If you check, only bad things happen: a check behind you giving a free draw (a big no no) or a bet and then what do you do? The point is, you can't always tense up when a scare card comes on the turn. As the chip leader, make her pay if she is on a draw or find out that you are beaten when she raises and then muck. | ||
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| Re: Big hand question, beigs, 10. Jul 2003 13:03 | ||
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| I wouldn't have thought someone would raise on the flop with two over cards. An over pair, sure, but aren't overcards still drawing? Unless, raising is a good idea because it's still a small bet. If the turn doesn't hit you can get away from your hand cheaply. on 10. Jul 2003 12:39 shorn wrote: > I don't view a Queen as a scare card as much as an Ace or King when you have a medium > pair. The only hand to be afraid of when the Queen falls is QQ which is unlikely given > the preflop play (no cap). Additionally, if you had AQ KQ or QJ even which all represent > two overcards to the flop, wouldn't you have raised the flop with them? I think the fact > that she just called on the flopped spelled "I am on a draw", potentially with AK. > > Also, by betting the turn, she will tell you if you are beaten with a raise. If you > check, only bad things happen: a check behind you giving a free draw (a big no no) or a > bet and then what do you do? The point is, you can't always tense up when a scare card > comes on the turn. As the chip leader, make her pay if she is on a draw or find out that > you are beaten when she raises and then muck. | ||
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| Re: Big hand question, mkpoker, 10. Jul 2003 13:23 | ||
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| The queen scared the heck out of me when it came. Based on the betting pre-flop and on the flop, I had put her on either 1) a middle pair (which was fine with me because my tens would win unless she hit trips); 2) A-middle (also fine, because an A would have given me Aces up) or 3) Two high cards, like AQ, AJ, AT, KQ, KJ, KT, K9, QT, JT. I figured that if she had a high pair (QQ+) or AK, she would have re-raised my pre-flop bet again. My main concern upon seeing the Q on the turn was that she might have made a pair of queens (with a hand like KQ), which would beat my TT. However, I was also concerned about a draw, since the Q might have given her a shot at a straight. Because there were so many possible hands to put her on, I was willing to take the risk of (possibly) betting into a big pair to offset the risk of giving her a free draw at a straight. I agree with beigs--I wouldn't raise the flop with just two overcards, and I wouldn't expect my opponent to, either. | ||
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| Re: Big hand question, stdioh, 10. Jul 2003 13:37 | ||
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| You made a giant error. You didn't bet enough. Since you are heads up and this is no limit you want to put your opponent to a tough decision. When you reraise with AT, this is ok. When she calls the reraise this is a good thing. Now you flop top pair top kicker and are probably good, but you are also vulnerable to overcards. You really don't want to see a J, Q, or K coming. I'd say that betting the pot here would be proper, not making a tiny bet. On the turn you have a choice of putting her all in or not. She should never have seen that river with chips left. Really. | ||
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| Re: Big hand question, mkpoker, 10. Jul 2003 13:40 | ||
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| It was a fixed limit tourney. At that time, the limits were 500/1000. I Couldn't push all in at any time. | ||
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| Re: Big hand question, stdioh, 10. Jul 2003 13:55 | ||
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| Ah ... fair enough. Then I agree that you played this just right. Sorry about being mistaken - I have a bad habbit of assuming that people only play NL tourneys :) | ||
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| Re: Big hand question, Ron, 10. Jul 2003 15:55 | ||
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| Your cards do NOT make a strait, so I don't know if you meant she had KJ. If she had KT you were NOT budging her no matter how you bet b/c she too flopped top pair. Otherwise, I'd like to know the real cards. | ||
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| Re: Big hand question, mkpoker, 10. Jul 2003 17:47 | ||
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| on 10. Jul 2003 15:55 Ron wrote: > Your cards do NOT make a strait, so I don't know if you meant she had KJ. If she had > KT you were NOT budging her no matter how you bet b/c she too flopped top pair. > Otherwise, I'd like to know the real cards. Yep. I made a typo in my original post, she had KJ for the straight. | ||
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