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 Poker Coach?, Brett Welch, 9. Jul 2003 13:33 | ||
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| Ok so I can understand a beginer or intermediate player needing a poker coach to show them the finer points of the game, but a WSOP Champ? My first reaction is if Robert V has won a WSOP why would he not trust his own skills? But then I think ok maybe he's a very humble guy and wants someone else's opinon. Ok fair enough, but wouldn't you want you coach to be a great poker player? Yes. And if he is so great then why is he not in the big dance? This is very confusing to me, maybe I missed something. I hope you guys see what I am saying here. Someone explain, please. BTW, I am available for WSOP 2004 all events, as your personal coach of course. | ||
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| Re: Poker Coach?, Big_Slick, 9. Jul 2003 13:40 | ||
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| You're not explaining the whole story here... did Robert get a coach? | ||
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| Re: Poker Coach?, Brett Welch, 9. Jul 2003 13:49 | ||
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| Sorry I though all had caught the WSOP show on ESPN last night. During a hand in which Robert was not involved he went over and spoke to an individual and the announcers referred to him as Robert's coach. I am pretty sure that is correct. I can't remember his name though. | ||
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| Re: Poker Coach?, Big_Slick, 9. Jul 2003 13:55 | ||
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| Well, I think you have to admire that in Robert. Here is a guy who is a world champion and he's looking to get better. Nothing wrong with that. | ||
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| Re: Poker Coach?, TKarrde, 9. Jul 2003 13:58 | ||
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| Are you allowed to have a coach during a tournament? I know in Tennis that once a match has begun you cannot have conversations with or even take signals from your coach. I can't see someone in a tournament being allowed to take advice from another part way through. But then again, can your really shut the rail-birds up? TKarrde "You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never to get involved in a land war in Asia. And only slightly less well known is this: never go in against a Sicilian (Mozman) when death is on the line!" | ||
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| Re: Poker Coach?, palman, 9. Jul 2003 14:40 | ||
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| Talking to people about poker isn't going to HURT you (unless of course they feed you wrong information) so why not? You don't think Doyle got tips from Slim and vice versa 30 years ago? | ||
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| Re: Poker Coach?, TKarrde, 9. Jul 2003 14:52 | ||
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| I haven't watched the ESPN show yet. I was just making a general comment that I didn't think a person should be allowed to take coaching DURING a tournament. Because it is an INDIVIDUAL sport. (Can I call it a sport? hehe) I highly doubt that Kasparov is going to consult with anyone when taking on the next great circuit board. TKarrde "You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never to get involved in a land war in Asia. And only slightly less well known is this: never go in against a Sicilian (Mozman) when death is on the line!" | ||
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| Re: Poker Coach?, Frank Grimes, 9. Jul 2003 15:00 | ||
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| I believe there is a "one person to a hand" rule in place. In Jim McManus' book "Positively Fifth Street," he even relates such a situation that occurred during the 2000 WSOP that he called the most controversial hand of the tournament. I don't recall who was involved (and I don't have the book immediately available), but it did involve someone in a hand talking to a railbird. | ||
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| Re: Poker Coach?, mkpoker, 9. Jul 2003 15:02 | ||
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| The Positively 5th street story is a good one...but I'm sure everyone on this forum has read the book! In poker, you may consult with railbirds (be they coaches or just other players) when hands are not in play (i.e. during breaks). But in Tennis, you cannot consult with a coach during a match, even if the players are taking a scheduled rest break. | ||
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| Re: Poker Coach?, Risky Business, 9. Jul 2003 15:04 | ||
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| Repeating from an earlier post.....I think hiring a coach with the intent of solving the game is idiotic and a huge waste of time and money. Get a confidence and health advisor. Someone to keep you sharp, not a numbers nerd!! Yes, Robert HAD a coach and discussed it in length during his bio segment. He and his coach, a reknowned geek, sat in front of the camera and joked about NOT being a robot while playing poker..............then turned around and said they had a particular play for every situation. WHAT!?!?! My take is that unless your book has bio's on every single player, and how they'd play every single hand, it's worthless. They completely distanced themselves from the human factor. All that THEORY gets thrown out the window when you shove 2 kings in my face. Crunch all the numbers you want Robert "Day 1" Varkoni, but when you've got a good enough sized pot, with rags on the board, you're going all-in with 2 Kings!! | ||
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| Re: Poker Coach?, stdioh, 9. Jul 2003 16:06 | ||
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| Depends on the sport. In Tae Kwon Do, everybody gets advice from their coach between rounds. Same in boxing. | ||
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| Re: Poker Coach?, 4 POKER, 9. Jul 2003 15:57 | ||
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| Brett, To help clarify a few things here, even though Robert V may have won the 2002 WSOP doesn't mean that he is necessarily a player who is extremely skilled in poker. Prior to winning the "big event", RV has had very little experience in the poker world (live games) and when he did enter the big event in 2002 it was the first time that he ever played in a tournament before in his life. Not taking anything away from him, (he is a college graduate from MIT in NY and is no dummy), *but*, that has little to do with having poker skills/experience. There is so much more to factor in when you're playing poker and/or a N/L tournament. Being knowlegable in math helps a ton, but it's not everything. Poker is still a "people"game, and being skilled in that area and having knowlege *and* experience are crucial to the game. Being able to go inside your opponents head is also something that is not learned in a day. Take Scotty Ngugen...he's one of the best for reading his opponents, but it wasn't something that happenend overnight....but he probably has a gift in that area, anyway. Chris Moneymaker also won it this year.....does that mean he is a very skilled poker player? NO. But he won it anyway, and anytime a person wins a tournament, (whether it's the "big event " at a WSOP, or any other tournament), you still have to remember that winning that could have been based on a short term result; and for many of them....it is. Now the part about him having a coach? I didn't see it (so whether it's allowed or not is another story), but you seemed to be a little confused as to , "well than *why* isn't HE in the big dance"? There could be several reasons for that. Maybe he was in it and got knocked out. Would that mean that he was any less a player and/or not as skilled? No. Maybe, he is not a tournament player but he is still one who has a lot of poker experience and is extremely skilled in poker as well. Could be. Let me give you an example: I play in a tournament and have managed to outlast some of the best known N/L tournament players. Well if Scotty Ngyuen or Daniel Negreanu happened to be on the sidelines, and one of them were my friends, you'd best be sure that if I had an opportunity (and it was allowed), I would definitely be asking them for advice if I needed to. I'm just trying to explain the difference between skilled (with experience), and a short term result.....there is a difference! Hope this helps a bit. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Poker Coach?, stdioh, 9. Jul 2003 16:05 | ||
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| RV only won last year's because he got hit over the head with the deck again and again. He's not a BBPP (bad bad poker player), but he isn't good enough to compete at the world level. He needed a coach. | ||
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| Re: Poker Coach?, 3Kings, 10. Jul 2003 08:37 | ||
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| If I am correct, didn't Robert win the tournament at Foxwoods the following month (week)? I agree, though, he is not a great player as a great player will do it over the long haul. When Phil won the WSOP in 89, how many people thought he was going to be a great player. Most people probably thought he was a one-hit wonder. Time will tell on whether Robert is going to be a great player. Right now he is good because you do have to have some skill to win. | ||
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