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 A Message to Beginners, 3Kings, 8. Jul 2003 10:46 | ||
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| This post is for those of you who are just starting out. Perhaps the most important decision you will make playing poker is your starting hands. If you play quality cards, you will win more than if you play inferior cards. The last three days I have had the worst run of bad cards that I can remember. The first two days I would lose with AA to KK when a K comes on the turn. I would lose with KK when someone else would flop two pari. I would have AJ and lose to AQ. To make up some of my moeny I started to play bad cards: 78o middle position when I knew a raise was coming. Q5s in the BB after a raise because I was getting odds to call, etc... I lost about 2/3 of my bankroll. (bout 30 BB) Today, I won 4 1/2 BB in about 75 minutes. It doesn't sound like a lot but let me tell you it was. I went into today's game with the mindset of playing better. How? I made sure that my two starting cards were good cards, not junk that I hoped would improve. My cards were terrible. At one stretch I threw away 17 straight hands including my blinds because they were bad 45o, J2s, T7o, etc...I knew if I played like I did the last two days I would be out of all my bankroll. Finally I get good cards, AK and QQ but both get beaten. I stayed the course. I then got AJs and won a good size pot. KQs won another pot. Waited about 10 more hands until I had something to play. Won again. When I finished I had won 4 1/2 BB. I didn't play much but when I did play I had the best of it. My advice to beginners, don't watch what other people are winning hands with. Don't worry if your AA is beaten by 67o, or if you flop a straight and are beaten by runner runner flush or full house. IF you play good starting hands, you will be headed down the right path. Does it guarantee you will win? NO. Does it make it more likely that you will win? YES. Once you have your starting requirements, you can then cnocentrate on the other 99 things you have to know at the poker table. | ||
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| Re: A Message to Beginners, Paul Stine, 8. Jul 2003 11:11 | ||
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| on 8. Jul 2003 10:46 3Kings wrote: > This post is for those of you who are just starting out. > > Perhaps the most important decision you will make playing poker is your > starting hands. If you play quality cards, you will win more than if you play > inferior cards. > > The last three days I have had the worst run of bad cards that I can remember. > The first two days I would lose with AA to KK when a K comes on the turn. I > would lose with KK when someone else would flop two pari. I would have AJ and > lose to AQ. To make up some of my moeny I started to play bad cards: 78o middle > position when I knew a raise was coming. Q5s in the BB after a raise because I > was getting odds to call, etc... I lost about 2/3 of my bankroll. (bout 30 > BB) > > Today, I won 4 1/2 BB in about 75 minutes. It doesn't sound like a lot but let > me tell you it was. I went into today's game with the mindset of playing > better. How? I made sure that my two starting cards were good cards, not junk > that I hoped would improve. > > My cards were terrible. At one stretch I threw away 17 straight hands > including my blinds because they were bad 45o, J2s, T7o, etc...I knew if I > played like I did the last two days I would be out of all my bankroll. Finally > I get good cards, AK and QQ but both get beaten. I stayed the course. I then > got AJs and won a good size pot. KQs won another pot. Waited about 10 more > hands until I had something to play. Won again. When I finished I had won 4 > 1/2 BB. > > I didn't play much but when I did play I had the best of it. > My advice to beginners, don't watch what other people are winning hands with. > Don't worry if your AA is beaten by 67o, or if you flop a straight and are > beaten by runner runner flush or full house. IF you play good starting hands, > you will be headed down the right path. Does it guarantee you will win? NO. > Does it make it more likely that you will win? YES. > > Once you have your starting requirements, you can then cnocentrate on the other > 99 things you have to know at the poker table. John Vorhaus (vor-ZAH) talks about little cards (ranks 8 and lower) as poison and that anything touching poison becomes contaminated. Hence, 8-7 is poison and likewise A-7 is poison. If you play with poison you are going to wind up dead. Enough said. Think about little card poison to help keep you from playing too many hands. (That doesn't mean, of course, that you have to play every T9 that comes along.) Paul Stine College Station, TX | ||
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| Re: A Message to Beginners, shorn, 8. Jul 2003 12:19 | ||
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| My personal record for folds was 65 hands in a row. You can have significant runs of cards that will stink up the joint...don't give in. When i am in a bad run and I am tempted to play a marginal hand for a raise, I ask myself "Would I go outside and light a $20 bill on fire just because I haven't done it in the last hour?" Of course I wouldn't. So, I shouodn't play a crappy hand and do the same thing. | ||
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| Re: A Message to Beginners, Risky Business, 8. Jul 2003 12:22 | ||
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| Thanks, I need to read that post every once in a while. 65 in a row!! (even if it's a lie, I like it) on 8. Jul 2003 12:19 shorn wrote: > My personal record for folds was 65 hands in a row. You can have significant runs of > cards that will stink up the joint...don't give in. > > When i am in a bad run and I am tempted to play a marginal hand for a raise, I ask > myself "Would I go outside and light a $20 bill on fire just because I haven't done > it in the last hour?" Of course I wouldn't. So, I shouodn't play a crappy hand and > do the same thing. | ||
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| Re: A Message to Beginners, shorn, 9. Jul 2003 05:01 | ||
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| It is true. Not that this happens that often, but in the 3 years that I have played more seriously, I have had many many runs of 40+ hands in a row. The key to remember (and I take this from Lou Krieger among others) is that poker is a marathon and not a sprint. Whether you are just sitting down or have 3 hands to go before you leave the game, you shouldn't allow these factors to play into your hand decision-making at all. The chips you lose on a bad decision like that hurt the same no matter when (in the course of a session) you lose them. | ||
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| Re: A Message to Beginners, Keyser Soze, 8. Jul 2003 16:18 | ||
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| GREAT post!!!! The $20.00 quote will be in my journal for sure! "How do you shoot the devil in the back?? What if you miss....... ?? | ||
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| Re: A Message to Beginners, 4 POKER, 8. Jul 2003 18:55 | ||
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| on 8. Jul 2003 12:19 shorn wrote: > My personal record for folds was 65 hands in a row. You can have significant runs of > cards that will stink up the joint...don't give in. > > When i am in a bad run and I am tempted to play a marginal hand for a raise, I ask > myself "Would I go outside and light a $20 bill on fire just because I haven't done > it in the last hour?" Of course I wouldn't. So, I shouodn't play a crappy hand and > do the same thing. Very good analogy shorn and a tremendous amount of discipline and patience IMO. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: A Message to Beginners, MozMan, 8. Jul 2003 12:25 | ||
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| This is a good point. I was jus tlooking over my play records from a $5 tourney I entered last night for practice. I got the worst run of cards I can remember. I lasted 86 hands (about an hour and a half) and in all of those hands, the only one's worth playing were: 1- AhQh (board was all rags, and I lost to a J5o who called me down and caught a 5 on the turn. 2- 22 on the button. Flop came AK9 and I folded to heavy action. 3- 99 in the SB. Flopped a set and won a moderate pot when nobody would call past the turn. 4- JT in the BB. Saw flop for free and flopped a str8 to the Q. Only had 300 chips at this point, got 1 caller to double me up. 5- My final hand: KcQc UTG. Very short-stacked, went all-in out of despiration (would have blinded out next hand). Got 2 callers, one with JJ and one with 9s2s who caught three spades on the board to bust both me and the JJ out of the tourney at the same time. That's only 5 decents hands. All the rest of my hands were unsuited and had at least 2 gaps. I had 3 or 4 A-littles UTG that I couldn't play as well (though I did limp in on at least one out of frustration). My point is this: with that run of cards, I LASTED 86 HANDS; and the only reason I lasted that long was that I refused to throw chips away on lousy hands. Skimming my records, I don't see any hands that I would have flopped big had I played trash. I'm sure there's one or two in there somewhere, but that wouldn't have been worth playing them all. Yes, hand selection is very important, and I am still learning the art. -Moz "The reports of my assimilation are greatly exaggerated." | ||
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| Re: A Message to Beginners, str82tko, 8. Jul 2003 17:05 | ||
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| Moz...Here I thought I was the only one to do that!!..I have done this for a long time, especially when I need reminding about my starting standards. I too get really worn down by a run of crap cards and start 'thinking' or better yet ""rationalizing" why I can lower my starters. Last night , I also, in a $5 tourney recorded everything as I played. Only 180 some in the field, I lasted about an hour and a half and had 102 hands dealt to me before busting out at number 60 something. I only entered 7 hands, won 5 and watched all the rest. 22 hands were hands that could be considered 'tempting' to me. I restrained and lo and behold out of the 22...only 2 would have slopped out and made it. (assuming the betting would have not changed if I was in the pot). Afterward I looked it over and learned again. I seem to have to teach myself this same lesson over and over and over. Of course I do realize no-one else has this problem...:) Thanks for the post as there is security in numbers.. | ||
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| Re: A Message to Beginners, jdsalinger, 8. Jul 2003 21:25 | ||
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| well that is good advice but AJ and KQ aren't exactly quality holdings. depends who you're are playing with etc. Probably because I play a lot of NL therefore AJ and KQ are real trouble hands of course these are better hands in late position or late in a tourney but I'd be careful with them | ||
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