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 Party fishes, palman, 7. Jul 2003 22:03 | ||
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| As of now I wouldnt as a competent poker player recommend playing 30 dollar NL sit n go's at party. Maybe I'm just ranting about the worst string of bad beats in my brief career, and suffering my first truly losing session since joining party, but playing with these fish isnt for the faint of heart. They play anything and call preflop raises with anything, so if it irritates you to lose to that sneaky 4 kicker on the river, I wouldnt advise it. But when your nut flush loses to 2's full of 10's that's when you really blow your gasket. I'm seeing more absolutely AWFUL plays now than I ever have before... as I notice the amount of users skyrocketing (likely 10,000 before the week is up) unfortunately not enough of them are with me in the pot, and they pull it out when I am. During my brief 2 minute post here I notice my sit n go is down to 6 and I havent played a hand yet(hand #8 of the tournament), whereas in my previous one, 4 people went all in on the same hand. I've got AK now... I'm sure I'll let you know how it turns out Edit: I quadruple the blinds... flop 248.. 4 on the turn, dont remember the river. for the sake of my post I just bet strong on all 3 betting rounds (yes I'm on tilt... but this is for educational purposes =) ) and I was dying to see what he was holding. granted... 10-8 Upon further review if I had consulted my notes (I really hate that party doesnt show them when you drag the mouse over it) I would have taken note of his aggressive play with K4o level 3 on a previous tournament and expected it. And I just ended up busting him a few hands later with in which I raised it to 200, (BB 50) and his calling with K10o. (and if you comment on my tilting and playing for knowledge being a fishy play in its own right, I will wholeheartadly agree) Edit #2: when I said I busted him... I just got him severly shortstacked. we were down to 4.... he was SB with 15 chips leftover,, blinds 50/100, he folds as the SB | ||
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| Re: Party fishes, 4 POKER, 8. Jul 2003 05:15 | ||
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| I was playing at Party the other day and it was the first time in about two months or so since I've played there and I noticed that there were all new players in the game and that none of them were any of the players that I was used to playing with. Now in the past I have come across some pretty weak players but I have also played up against some pretty tough players as well. And remembering who these good players were enabled me to make pre-flop raises where I knew they wouldn't call unless they had a really strong holding. I play Omaha 8 and if you're familiar with your opponents, you can get a good idea as to where they stand in a hand, especially when you play with them on a daily basis. Now...after I played the other night, I noticed that not only were these players new to me, they seemed to be new to the game as well. They played very inferior holdings and didn't mind calling all raises either. Now because I took notice to this, the hands that I was able to raise in the past (given me more freedom to do so), was not going to be the correct strategy for this game. I found that unless my hand was really really premium, I was not raising because I knew too many of them would call and/or they were also likely to re-raise me with much less. Which normally that would be okay, but in Omaha, I find that with too many players involved, you *must* perfectly all the time because there will be too many of them in there who will be drawing against you. Grant it when you flop the nut low, you'll probably make a profit because every hand consisted of 7 players on average. I felt like it was a play money table half the time! Anyway, this is where you need to adjust your play a bit and know that any *move* you try to make is going to be called regardless. When you're involved in a hand with just one or two players (Omaha), you can tend to make certain moves to drive the other player out as long as you know your players. Well I was able to make those plays before, but now I'm finding that with all these new and loose players...I'm going to have to show the nuts.....there's just too many of them in there! So what I have done on my last session was, limp in more pre-flop but was more aggressive after the flop because I knew if they held just one pair and a really weak low, they would call all bets and raises anyway,which seemed to work out better for me. Good luck. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Party fishes, palman, 8. Jul 2003 06:11 | ||
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| Now that its the next day and I'm not steaming.... I guess you are right in the correct strategy, just basically play straight up, any moves you make will hardly be noticed, so bluff less and slowplay less when the situation otherwise would warrant it. I also used to raise preflop with a hand like AQ, say 3 or 4 times the blinds in th earlier levels, to get rid of the K9's and whatnot. My sit n go strategy plays pretty well when I have a decent sized pot on the early levels, because I think I'm relatively good at recognizing when I'm beat or not. Perhaps to get the same effect against these players I might have to raise that to 5 or 6 times the blinds (although thats risking more of my stack and against good players will just have them go all in on ya with the premium hands) Edit: not 5 minutes into my first tourney of the day... I see someone win a huge pot with 52s after someone else raised it preflop 100 level 1 | ||
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| Re: Party fishes, Mike812, 8. Jul 2003 07:40 | ||
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| I know exactly where you are coming from. I liked the partypoker site but I didnt like the people that go all-in with 10-4 off suit, so I switched to empirepoker.com It has the exact same layout as partypoker but smaller and not as many people that watch WPT on television. You should check it out, I was in a LONG losing streak on party. I had nut flush and was losing to people that stayed in with 4-7 and getting the boat. I joined empire yesterday, deposited $50 and I am up for the first time in a week. You should check it out, and if you want, I can even refer you so you can get an extra $25 to your account. Just a thought, let me know Mike www.pokeranon.com | ||
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| Re: Party fishes, Risky Business, 8. Jul 2003 08:09 | ||
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| Mike, don't know how to tell you this, but if you rev up your Empire Poker site and enter a game, then rev up your Party Poker site and look for that same room name........you're going to find it. Didn't it strike you as odd that they look really similar? | ||
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| Re: Party fishes, beigs, 8. Jul 2003 09:07 | ||
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| I'm just repeating myself here, but these sorts of players are not limiting themselves to Party. They showed up at Mohegan over the weekend and really made me feel stupid. But... out of curiosity, has anyone been playing the PartyPoker Million tournaments and satellites? Are the players really weak in those as well? Beigs on 7. Jul 2003 22:03 palman wrote: > As of now I wouldnt as a competent poker player recommend playing 30 dollar NL > sit n go's at party. > > Maybe I'm just ranting about the worst string of bad beats in my brief career, > and suffering my first truly losing session since joining party, but playing > with these fish isnt for the faint of heart. > > They play anything and call preflop raises with anything, so if it irritates > you to lose to that sneaky 4 kicker on the river, I wouldnt advise it. > > But when your nut flush loses to 2's full of 10's that's when you really blow > your gasket. > > I'm seeing more absolutely AWFUL plays now than I ever have before... as I > notice the amount of users skyrocketing (likely 10,000 before the week is up) > unfortunately not enough of them are with me in the pot, and they pull it out > when I am. > > During my brief 2 minute post here I notice my sit n go is down to 6 and I > havent played a hand yet(hand #8 of the tournament), whereas in my previous one, > 4 people went all in on the same hand. > > I've got AK now... I'm sure I'll let you know how it turns out > > Edit: I quadruple the blinds... flop 248.. 4 on the turn, dont remember the > river. for the sake of my post I just bet strong on all 3 betting rounds (yes > I'm on tilt... but this is for educational purposes =) ) and I was dying to > see what he was holding. > > granted... 10-8 > > Upon further review if I had consulted my notes (I really hate that party > doesnt show them when you drag the mouse over it) I would have taken note of his > aggressive play with K4o level 3 on a previous tournament and expected it. > > And I just ended up busting him a few hands later with in which I raised it to > 200, (BB 50) and his calling with K10o. > > (and if you comment on my tilting and playing for knowledge being a fishy play > in its own right, I will wholeheartadly agree) > > > Edit #2: when I said I busted him... I just got him severly shortstacked. > > we were down to 4.... he was SB with 15 chips leftover,, blinds 50/100, he > folds as the SB | ||
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| Re: Party fishes, Schuster, 8. Jul 2003 10:58 | ||
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| I was watching a no limit satelite last night to see if I felt like playing. The blinds were 150/300, the small blind well all in for 380, and the chip leader in the big blind with over 4800 folded. He had to invest 80 more chips and he just let it go. Now I'm really thinking I'll give it a shot! Lee | ||
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| Re: Party fishes, Risky Business, 8. Jul 2003 12:21 | ||
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| I was the recipient of that last night, but the values were different. I was big blinded all-in with 3 players left....and they both folded. Leave a door open................... I came back to gain the chip lead, only to piss it away and toss my monitor into oncoming traffic. 2nd place finish. Beigs - If you're debating paying $200 to get directly into the semi-finals, or play $25/each for satellites, play 8 satellites. They're basically 7 player tourneys and you've shown a decent track record. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go to the computer store. on 8. Jul 2003 10:58 Schuster wrote: > I was watching a no limit satelite last night to see if I felt like playing. The blinds > were 150/300, the small blind well all in for 380, and the chip leader in the big blind > with over 4800 folded. He had to invest 80 more chips and he just let it go. Now I'm > really thinking I'll give it a shot! > > Lee | ||
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| Re: Party fishes, Jav, 8. Jul 2003 09:58 | ||
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| You are correct, there is some really bad play in those tourneys. And you will occasionally bust out with KK to an inferior hand. But that's just poker. I don't want those sit n go's to change one little bit. I've been moneying in about 75% of the ones I'm playing in the last couple weeks. That is a gigantic improvement on how I was faring before. I pretty much plan on checking and folding my way into the money, and then just play a shorthanded game to try to win it. If I happen to get an excellent hand early I'll play it and try to build my stack up, but I'm very careful in the beginning; because it's just too easy to money by playing really tight to warrant risking much of my stack early on. | ||
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| Re: Party fishes, SmellsLikeVictory, 8. Jul 2003 13:38 | ||
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| Low entry SNG at Party, and also at Paradise, are gold mines. Simple two phase startegy. Let the morons knock each other out and play super tight in the early rounds. Ok, the occassional limp with suited connectors if there hasn't been a lot of preflop raising, but otherwise muck that AJ UTG. Let them bluff you off decent hands. I make money in these events easily by just waiting around for premium cards and punishing the guys coming in with crap. Yeah they'll river you, but you win in the long run if you're moving in as the favorite. You can practically post & fold to the final 5 in these events where 3 guys are already gone and the blinds aren't even past 10/20. Several times I've been to the last 4 only playing one or two hands. Typically you're the short stack at this point and the blinds will start to become significant. Once you get to 30/60 or 50/100 blinds, you have to make a move, switch gears, and start stealing and playing aggressively. Short handed skill is what brings home the money then. Get all-in and try to double through and you're right with the leaders for the "crapshoot" phase where the blinds are large even compared to the biggest stack. | ||
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| Re: Party fishes, stdioh, 8. Jul 2003 15:31 | ||
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| The one thing I hate about playing with fish is the hamstringing when it comes to bluffing. I fealt really stupid in a tourney the other day when I raised to steal with A9, bet a half pot bet into a board of AKK and got called, checked the turn of Q that brought a flush to the board, and bet the scary river of a J that also brought a 1-card straight. I pushed all in on this river, a bet just over the pot size and just under my opponent's stack size (it was desperation time). I felt unhappy that my bluff had failed when he called, only to see that he had called me with a only a queen. When players do things like that and luck is going against you, you will swear that somebody is cheating you out of your money, but it is just the cosmos sticking it in you. | ||
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