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 dominated hands, mongi, 7. Jul 2003 12:13 | ||
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| Hands like AT and KT offsuite: How do you play them. Here is how I have been playing them, please critique me. Assume it is a typical game. 4-8 holdem. KT: I usually just play this from the button and the blinds in an unraised pot. I sometimes muck it from the button if a couple solid players limp in from early position. If only loose players have called I may call from one or two spots off the button. I will call a raise from the big blind if there are several callers, however, if I am heads up with the raiser assuming he is a good player I will muck. AT: I usually muck this in the first two positions and then limp in the rest of the way. If I am in late middle position I will raise it. I will never cold call a raise with it unless I am in the BB and I feel someone is raising light from late position or they are a loose raiser. If a solid player raises from EP I will muck it. How about hands like Q9 Q8 J7 K9 all offsuite. Would you call a raise with these in the big blind? Thanks for your advice. | ||
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| Re: dominated hands, PairTheBoard, 8. Jul 2003 02:59 | ||
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| I hate all those hands. Also, AJ, Kj, QJ, and Q10. Even suited doesn't make them that much better. I'll play J10 suited more often because one of these days I know I'm going to win one of those big pots with it that Sklansky/Malmuth describe. Someday. LOL. I know what you mean though. All those hands you describe are loose to loosest calls and requires special conditions to justify a loose or really loose call. In a game where a lot of people play just about any two cards but usually raise with really good ones, I guess I'm justified in making some pretty loose calls on the button or maybe second button and small blind. In a really loose game where loose raises are made with several loose callers of the raise and no reraise, I guess I'm justified in making some very loose calls of the raise out of the Big Blind. Against a late postion player who repeatedly steals my blinds with almost anything, I think I'm justified in defending with the hands you describe. I'm getting 3.5-1 odds to hit the flop and if I hit it I can have some fun with the stealer. If I miss, oh well. | ||
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| Re: dominated hands, 4 POKER, 8. Jul 2003 03:12 | ||
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| Hey Mongi, it's funny because the same holdings that you wouldn't necessarily call a raise with like A-!0 or K-10 are sometimes good enough holdings to raise with yourself. (providing that your in a steal position). Now because alot does depend on table texture and position, these tpes of holdings aren't always going to be a clear fold or a clear call. In EP, I would muck A-10o and K-10 but in the right game you can make a call with A-10. Now the hands that you mentioned from the BB when faced with a raise....I really don't care for any of those holdings. They have too many gaps in them (Q-8, J-7) and if you flop even top pair with them, you'd still be faced with kicker problems. So for that reason, I would play hands that were more close together in rank like (K-Q, K-J, K-10, Q-J, Q-10, and J-10), but alot is going to depend on who made the raise as well, and who called the raise, if any. Being suited with these holdings will help....not a whole lot considering that you will not hit a flush too often, but nonetheless, it does increase your holding strength. Honestly, I'd rather call a raise with 7-8 or 5-6 suited then J-7. WIth those holdings you are looking to hit a straight and can release it if you don't flop good, but with a hand like Q-8 or J-7, you may find yourself in more trouble if you flop a pair, even top pair because often players will play the bigger cards and when one of them flops, you're probably going to be outkicked anyway and would probably have to "hit your hand" twice (making two pair). 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: dominated hands, shorn, 8. Jul 2003 04:47 | ||
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| One other point to add about 65 and 87s is that with those hands in the blind facing a raise, it is likely that both of your cards are live and if you hit a pair, it isn't likely to be outkicked (like Q8 and J7 might be). Granted, the flop still has to hit you hard, but you are generally looking at 6 outs instead of 3. | ||
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| Re: dominated hands, 4 POKER, 8. Jul 2003 06:04 | ||
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| on 8. Jul 2003 04:47 shorn wrote: > One other point to add about 65 and 87s is that with those hands in the blind facing a > raise, it is likely that both of your cards are live and if you hit a pair, it isn't > likely to be outkicked (like Q8 and J7 might be). Granted, the flop still has to hit you > hard, but you are generally looking at 6 outs instead of 3. Yes, I agree with that as well. Good point shorn...... (4P-) | ||
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| Re: dominated hands, SendMoney, 8. Jul 2003 10:53 | ||
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| When I think about hands like 10J 10Q 10K JQ JK and QK, suited or not, I'll usually take a look at the flop if the conditions are right. All of these hands CAN flop the nut straight, which is rare, but more often you'll flop an open ended draw at the nut straight with 1 or more overcards to the board. That's something to think about when you have these type of hands as opposed to a hand containing an ace, while hands like A10 or AJ can also flop the nut straight, all of the straight draws will be gutshots. | ||
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