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 Dealing with the fish, Schuster, 7. Jul 2003 12:12 | ||
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| I'm playing a table today and I'm dealt Ac 5c in the cutoff of a six handed game. It's folded to me and I raise, and surpsingly, the button and both blinds call, and we take the flop 4 handed. It comes: 7c 5h 2c I'm thinking, pretty good flop for me. Second pair, ace kicker, and the nut flush draw, which puts me at 14 outs to 2 pair or better by the river. Then the small blind bets out, the big blind calls. I raise, the button calls, and they all call. The next card finishes my flush and I bet out the rest of the way. Now, the guy in the small blind suggests that I should go to gamblers anonymous seeing as how I raised the whole time "just hoping to hit the flush." Now what do you say to a guy like this? All my plays are strategically sound and I'm here to maximize my profit? My play was mathematically sound and I wanted to pump the pot while I had the odds to do so? Boy, wouldn't that dry the well up. I ended up saying I'm just here to have fun, and he pushed the gamblers anonymous thing for another 10 minutes and then finally left. I would have left to get away from it, but this was just about a perfect table and I wasn't going to give it up. How do you handle these situations? I try to keep my customers as happy as possible and be as cordial as I can. Anyone have some special lines they'd like to share? I'm sure we've all been in this situation. Lee | ||
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| Re: Dealing with the fish, shorn, 7. Jul 2003 12:15 | ||
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| Tell him you just came from a GA meeting and thought you would squeeze in a few hands... | ||
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| Re: Dealing with the fish, THWebl, 7. Jul 2003 12:18 | ||
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| Tell him you'll head over to GA right after the game, and thank him for donating your cab fare. And if he continues, talk about the different things you will be buying in relations to your GA meeting as you take his money. Chips from the vending machine, the new GA book, dinner for the group after the meeting...etc... | ||
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| Re: Dealing with the fish, Risky Business, 7. Jul 2003 12:24 | ||
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| Don't sweat this one. It looked like you tried to steal the blinds, and nobody raised, so you had no decision to make at that point with your straight flush draw. Then you raised with your flush draw (you're representing an overpair and betting to get the flush draws out). I wouldn't put it past any of them to have a 7 in their positions and your seemingly obviously play on the pre-flop raise. Then you hit your flush and your story gets cloudy. Were you bet into, did you raise, any checkraises in there? If you simply led and were called down, so what. You had made your hand and you led the betting so nobody with 2 pair could fill their boat. Let them swim away. on 7. Jul 2003 12:12 Schuster wrote: > I'm playing a table today and I'm dealt Ac 5c in the cutoff of a six handed > game. It's folded to me and I raise, and surpsingly, the button and both blinds > call, and we take the flop 4 handed. It comes: > > 7c 5h 2c > > I'm thinking, pretty good flop for me. Second pair, ace kicker, and the nut > flush draw, which puts me at 14 outs to 2 pair or better by the river. Then the > small blind bets out, the big blind calls. I raise, the button calls, and they > all call. The next card finishes my flush and I bet out the rest of the way. > > Now, the guy in the small blind suggests that I should go to gamblers anonymous > seeing as how I raised the whole time "just hoping to hit the flush." Now what > do you say to a guy like this? All my plays are strategically sound and I'm > here to maximize my profit? My play was mathematically sound and I wanted to > pump the pot while I had the odds to do so? Boy, wouldn't that dry the well up. > I ended up saying I'm just here to have fun, and he pushed the gamblers > anonymous thing for another 10 minutes and then finally left. I would have left > to get away from it, but this was just about a perfect table and I wasn't going > to give it up. How do you handle these situations? I try to keep my customers > as happy as possible and be as cordial as I can. Anyone have some special lines > they'd like to share? I'm sure we've all been in this situation. > > Lee | ||
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| Re: Dealing with the fish, Schuster, 7. Jul 2003 13:04 | ||
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| I lead the turn and river and was called down. | ||
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| Re: Dealing with the fish, Jav, 7. Jul 2003 13:28 | ||
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| It can be somewhat frustrating personally to have someone implying that you are a bad player getting lucky, but it can also put you in a very good position if other people at the table believe him. My only advice would be to milk the image for all it's worth. You definately don't want to explain the reasoning behind your decisions. I think you did the right thing. A simple statement like "I'm just here to have fun", or "I just knew I was going to get lucky that hand" can do a lot fo you! | ||
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| Re: Dealing with the fish, Giocatore, 7. Jul 2003 13:46 | ||
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| You played that hand fine. There is no reason to take ANYTHING seriously from someone over the internet, especially a sore loser like the one in question. As the popularity of online poker increases, so will the sore losers and cyber punks especially. Next time, just block his chat if the site you play on allows you to do so, or if not, just ignore the moron and he'll eventually stop barking and go away. | ||
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| Re: Dealing with the fish, Big_Slick, 7. Jul 2003 13:52 | ||
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| This is a perfect situation for you. Announce to the whole table how you lost $500 over the last 2 days and are just trying to get even. No one will respect your play and you can hopefully use this acting ploy to your advantage. As a side note... never worry about other players at your table. People will make rude comments, make faces, even swear at you. This just means that they have lost emotional control of themselves and their game. This usually equates to them going on tilt, losing all their money and being even more pissy to the people at their next table. | ||
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| Re: Dealing with the fish, mroban, 7. Jul 2003 14:00 | ||
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| tell him you will go to GA when he learns how to play poker the right way. You played the hand like a champ. However, a better thing to do (IMHO) is just acknowledge you got lucky. This guy will not respect any raise you make for the rest of the night and if you use that correctly, it could be very lucrative. I have had a few encounters like that online and have found that they will keep paying you off all night long while grumbling about "how lucky you are". | ||
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| Re: Dealing with the fish, Risky Business, 7. Jul 2003 14:01 | ||
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| Cursing works too. Nobody respects anyone that curses. Though I don't recommend it if your mother is watching. on 7. Jul 2003 14:00 mroban wrote: > tell him you will go to GA when he learns how to play poker the right way. > > You played the hand like a champ. > > However, a better thing to do (IMHO) is just acknowledge you got lucky. This guy > will not respect any raise you make for the rest of the night and if you use that > correctly, it could be very lucrative. I have had a few encounters like that online > and have found that they will keep paying you off all night long while grumbling > about "how lucky you are". > > | ||
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| Re: Dealing with the fish, MozMan, 7. Jul 2003 15:58 | ||
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| Was this online or B&M? If it's online, one option is to just ignore him. In a B&M, oyu could just smile and shrug and continue to stack your chips. If you really think you need to say something, either way you could say something like, "Well, I'm wearing my lucky underwear today," or "Gee, I didn't realize that was a bad draw; I've never played this game before." Someone else posted a good one here recently too: "How about if I don't tell you how to play your chips, and you don't tell me how to play everyone else's." I feel for you though, I get sucked in to conversations like that too easily myself, and find myself trying to defend my play, and that just gives away too much to the other players. -Moz "The reports of my assimilation are greatly exaggerated." | ||
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| Re: Dealing with the fish, Schuster, 7. Jul 2003 23:01 | ||
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| It was online, and party poker if you could guess. I definately don't try to rationalize my play, I just "got lucky" as far as I'm telling them. I hope everyone at the table thinks I'm the biggest fish ever. Lee | ||
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| Re: Dealing with the fish, cold_cash, 7. Jul 2003 22:32 | ||
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| I'm far from an expert but it sounds to me played the hand pretty nicely. My best advice about people/comments like that is to always remember to consider the source. One thing I love to say to people in situations like this is "it's okay for you to be wrong... it's really ok..." BUT, that only tends to be like gasoline on a fire. (I like to get people like this riled up a little sometimes.) ;) Also, maybe you could have given him a few book recomendations and pointed him toward the corresponding chapters about betting draws. That might have really sent him through the roof. ;) | ||
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| Re: Dealing with the fish, PairTheBoard, 8. Jul 2003 00:54 | ||
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| I don't want to waste energy getting involved with comments. If a reply is absolutely necessary I think "LOL" covers almost every possible scenario. LOL | ||
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| Re: Dealing with the fish, 4 POKER, 8. Jul 2003 02:01 | ||
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| If you were playing on line, and you want to respond then just type in LOL! That's friendly enough and you don't need to get into a discussion with this guy. (unless of course you want to) If this was a "live" poker game, then I would probably say nothing. You did say that you like to keep it friendly and *sometimes* when you say something (even if you think it may be humorous), it might not come across that way to this guy who was giving you *heat* about going to GA. I would suggest a half/smile perhaps (as an acknowledgement maybe), or I would just pretend that I didn't hear him at all and just stack up the chips. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Dealing with the fish, Wren, 8. Jul 2003 10:49 | ||
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| Depending on my mood and his fishiness, I'd either ignore him, passify him with a "yeah, I got lucky"-type statement, or play back at him lightly, with sarcasm or matched stupidity, for my own amusement. Any of the following might, uh, come out of my fingers: "I thought my 5's were good!" "I like gamb0000000000000000ling!" "Sorry - I hit the wrong button." "Your MOM should go to gambler's anonymous!" etc. etc. In general, I don't bother taking these comments seriously, 'cause if they're uttered seriously, the commentor necessarily has a very low IQ. on 7. Jul 2003 12:12 Schuster wrote: > I'm playing a table today and I'm dealt Ac 5c in the cutoff of a six handed > game. It's folded to me and I raise, and surpsingly, the button and both blinds > call, and we take the flop 4 handed. It comes: > > 7c 5h 2c > > I'm thinking, pretty good flop for me. Second pair, ace kicker, and the nut > flush draw, which puts me at 14 outs to 2 pair or better by the river. Then the > small blind bets out, the big blind calls. I raise, the button calls, and they > all call. The next card finishes my flush and I bet out the rest of the way. > > Now, the guy in the small blind suggests that I should go to gamblers anonymous > seeing as how I raised the whole time "just hoping to hit the flush." Now what > do you say to a guy like this? All my plays are strategically sound and I'm > here to maximize my profit? My play was mathematically sound and I wanted to > pump the pot while I had the odds to do so? Boy, wouldn't that dry the well up. > I ended up saying I'm just here to have fun, and he pushed the gamblers > anonymous thing for another 10 minutes and then finally left. I would have left > to get away from it, but this was just about a perfect table and I wasn't going > to give it up. How do you handle these situations? I try to keep my customers > as happy as possible and be as cordial as I can. Anyone have some special lines > they'd like to share? I'm sure we've all been in this situation. > > Lee | ||
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| Re: Dealing with the fish, stdioh, 9. Jul 2003 11:35 | ||
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| You made the right play there and you made good money from it. You had tonnes of outs and lots of players in the hand. I will note one thing though that the term "second pair" is reserved for a pocket pair which is less than top pair and more than middle pair. You flopped the nut flush draw with middle pair and an ace kicker. | ||
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| Re: Dealing with the fish, Schuster, 9. Jul 2003 11:54 | ||
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| Heh I always get second pair and middle pair mixed up. I started refering to second pair as an underpair, that is also correct, right? | ||
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