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can any one tell which is considered the winning hand ?, mandeep, 6. Jul 2003 02:05
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Winner Declartion Rules
Game : Texas Hold'em
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(1) Four Of a Kind
AH AS AD AC 9H versus KH KS KD KC 9H

(2) Full House
AH AS AD 9C 9H versus KH KS KD 9C 9H

which set hands would be considered for a winner
in above two cases separately.
please provide ur email address if you dont mind me asking few more questions .
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Re: can any one tell which is considered the winning hand ?, 4 POKER, 6. Jul 2003 02:38
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If the board reads A-A-A-A-9, the best hand to win the pot would be any player who held any King.

But keep in mind,(when talking about kickers) you don't need to hold the King to win the pot...whoever holds the HIGHEST card in their hand would win as long as that card was higher than the kicker on the board in which this case would be the 9. Any player who did not hold a"kicker higher then the 9, the pot would get split.

If the board reads K-K-K-K-9, the best holding would be any Ace.

Now because you must use five cards to make your hand, (meaning: kicker plays) with the four Aces or Kings already on the board, you would now only need to use one card from your hand. And with 4 Aces on the flop, the next highest possible card to have would be the King and vice versa with the 4 K's on the board.


With the other two hands, A-A-A-9-9, the best possible holding would be if you held the fourth Ace. The next best...pocket nines....the next best...pocket KK's and all the way down to pocket 10's. If you held any pair smaller then 10-10,(like 8-8) it wouldn't qualify as a winning hand because Aces full of Nines would beat Aces full of Eights. You are allowed to play the entire board, that's why. If you were in this hand and nobody held An Ace, the two 9's or pocket K's down to pocket
10's, the pot would be split between all players who may have called any action. Holding any big card in your hand like a K would not matter either because everyone involved would play all five flop cards (A's full of 9's).

With a board of K-K-K-9-9, the best hand is the 4th K, 2nd best....pocket 9's,3rd best....pocket AA's....then goes down from there, Pocket QQ's,JJ's, 10-10's and no other smaller pair would play. The same rules apply as the ones mentioned above.



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Re: can any one tell which is considered the winning hand ?, mandeep, 6. Jul 2003 03:22
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If you dont mind can i ask you your email ID for any more questions in future .



on 6. Jul 2003 02:38 4 POKER wrote:
> If the board reads A-A-A-A-9, the best hand to win the pot would be any player who
> held any King.
>
> But keep in mind,(when talking about kickers) you don't need to hold the King to win
> the pot...whoever holds the HIGHEST card in their hand would win as long as that card
> was higher than the kicker on the board in which this case would be the 9. Any player
> who did not hold a"kicker higher then the 9, the pot would get split.
>
> If the board reads K-K-K-K-9, the best holding would be any Ace.
>
> Now because you must use five cards to make your hand, (meaning: kicker plays) with
> the four Aces or Kings already on the board, you would now only need to use one card
> from your hand. And with 4 Aces on the flop, the next highest possible card to have
> would be the King and vice versa with the 4 K's on the board.
>
>
> With the other two hands, A-A-A-9-9, the best possible holding would be if you held
> the fourth Ace. The next best...pocket nines....the next best...pocket KK's and all
> the way down to pocket 10's. If you held any pair smaller then 10-10,(like 8-8) it
> wouldn't qualify as a winning hand because Aces full of Nines would beat Aces full of
> Eights. You are allowed to play the entire board, that's why. If you were in this
> hand and nobody held An Ace, the two 9's or pocket K's down to pocket
> 10's, the pot would be split between all players who may have called any action.
> Holding any big card in your hand like a K would not matter either because everyone
> involved would play all five flop cards (A's full of 9's).
>
> With a board of K-K-K-9-9, the best hand is the 4th K, 2nd best....pocket 9's,3rd
> best....pocket AA's....then goes down from there, Pocket QQ's,JJ's, 10-10's and no
> other smaller pair would play. The same rules apply as the ones mentioned above.
>
>
>
> 4 POKER
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Re: can any one tell which is considered the winning hand ?, 4 POKER, 6. Jul 2003 03:53
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on 6. Jul 2003 03:22 mandeep wrote:
> If you dont mind can i ask you your email ID for any more questions in future .
>
>
>
> on 6. Jul 2003 02:38 4 POKER wrote:
> > If the board reads A-A-A-A-9, the best hand to win the pot would be any player who
> > held any King.
> >
> > But keep in mind,(when talking about kickers) you don't need to hold the King to win
> > the pot...whoever holds the HIGHEST card in their hand would win as long as that card
>
> > was higher than the kicker on the board in which this case would be the 9. Any player
>
> > who did not hold a"kicker higher then the 9, the pot would get split.
> >
> > If the board reads K-K-K-K-9, the best holding would be any Ace.
> >
> > Now because you must use five cards to make your hand, (meaning: kicker plays) with
> > the four Aces or Kings already on the board, you would now only need to use one card
> > from your hand. And with 4 Aces on the flop, the next highest possible card to have
> > would be the King and vice versa with the 4 K's on the board.
> >
> >
> > With the other two hands, A-A-A-9-9, the best possible holding would be if you held
> > the fourth Ace. The next best...pocket nines....the next best...pocket KK's and all
> > the way down to pocket 10's. If you held any pair smaller then 10-10,(like 8-8) it
> > wouldn't qualify as a winning hand because Aces full of Nines would beat Aces full of
>
> > Eights. You are allowed to play the entire board, that's why. If you were in this
> > hand and nobody held An Ace, the two 9's or pocket K's down to pocket
> > 10's, the pot would be split between all players who may have called any action.
> > Holding any big card in your hand like a K would not matter either because everyone
> > involved would play all five flop cards (A's full of 9's).
> >
> > With a board of K-K-K-9-9, the best hand is the 4th K, 2nd best....pocket 9's,3rd
> > best....pocket AA's....then goes down from there, Pocket QQ's,JJ's, 10-10's and no
> > other smaller pair would play. The same rules apply as the ones mentioned above.
> >
> >
> >
> > 4 POKER




Mandeep,

Hey.

If you don't mind, can I ask why you wouldn't just want to post your questions here? We're all here to help one another and sometimes......several opinions are better than one!

So if this is your 1st time here, ......"welcome".


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what about this condition ?? 2Pairs, mandeep, 6. Jul 2003 03:26
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2 Pairs
KH KS 9C 9D AS versus KD KC 9S 9C QH

which set hands would be considered for a winner
in above two cases separately.
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Re: what about this condition ?? 2Pairs, 4 POKER, 6. Jul 2003 03:42
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Hey mandeep,

How are ya?

I'd like to know what you thought. It may help you to read the board correctly if you try and figure it out on your own. Plus it keeps us thinking this way, too. If you'd like any further clarifications afterwards, I'd be more than happy to help.




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what about this condition ?? 2Pairs, mandeep, 6. Jul 2003 03:26
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2 Pairs
KH KS 9C 9D AS versus KD KC 9S 9C QH

which set hands would be considered for a winner
in above two cases separately.
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Re: what about this condition ?? 2Pairs, shorn, 7. Jul 2003 07:49
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The one with the A kicker wins
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Re: can any one tell which is considered the winning hand ?, stdioh, 6. Jul 2003 16:32
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Mandeep. It sounds like you are struggling with the fundamentals of which hand wins.

Lets go over it from start to finish to clear this up.

In order the best hands are:
straight flush (including royal)
4 of a kind
full house
flush
straight
3 of a kind
2 pair
1 pair
high card.

If there are two straight flushes contending for a pot, the winner is the one that goes to the highest rank. TsJsQsKsAs beats 9hThJhQhKh which in turn would beat 8s9sTsJsQs ... the important thing to note is that the suit is irrelevant. Rank is the important thing. If two players have straight flushes of the same rank, they split the pot.

4 of a kind. Here, the best hand is AAAAK (suits are irrelevant). The next best is AAAAQ, then AAAAJ, all the way down to AAAA2. The next best is KKKKA, then KKKKQ, then KKKKJ, all the way down to KKKK2, etc. The lowest 4 of a kind is 22223.

Full house. This hand consists of a three of a kind combined with a pair. The rank of the three cards is the important one and the rank of the pair acts like a "kicker" ... AAAKK is the highest, then AAAQQ, then AAAJJ, etc. Next KKKAA, then KKKQQ, ... same as quads...do you see a pattern developing here?

Flush. Just like in a straight flush, rank is the important thing here - specifically the rank of the highest cards. So Ad8d7d6d5d is an ace high flush and it beats KdQdJdTd2d. If both flushes have the same highest card, then the next highest card is used. So KdJd6d3d2d beats KsTs5s4s3s because the kings tie and the jack beats the ten.

Straight, just like a straight flush is based on rank.

Three of a kind is like other hands and plays with 2 kickers. Thus, AAAKQ is the best three of a kind, then AAAKJ, AAAKT, ... then AAAQJ, AAAQT, ... all the way through the aces, then KKKAQ, then KKKAJ, ... etc.

Two pair is based on the highest pair. Thus AA223 beats KKQQJ because the higher pair is the aces up.AA772 beats AA66K because here the aces tie and now the 7's beat the 6's as the next pair. If both pairs tie then the kicker plays. JJTT8 beats JJTT7.

One pair plays with 3 kickers. AAKQJ is the best one pair and 22345 is the worst one pair. AAK23 beats AAQJT and so on.

High card is a hand of 5 kickers and each card is compared. A2346 beats KQJT8. JT983 beats JT982, etc.
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