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 NL sit n go, David R, 3. Jul 2003 10:42 | ||
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| Blinds 10 15 I am dealt QQ from mid position. I raise to 100, late position player raises to 200. I call it is heads up. Flop comes K 7 4. I check, players bets all in. Is this an obvious fold situation? I folded assuming he made the big raise with AA, KK, AK. Drich | ||
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| Re: NL sit n go, stdioh, 3. Jul 2003 12:06 | ||
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| Yes, that is an obvious fold. QQ can be a tough hand to play. Basically you raise it to drive out AX and KX type hands, but when an ace or king does come on the flop you can't play the hand hard at all. There are too many ways for your opponent to beat you. Generally when he has raised to 200 you have a choice. You can go all-in here hoping that he doesn't have AA or KK, and really hoping that he does have something like JJ. Your all in bet could win you the pot now saving your the worry too. If you chose to just call (lets say that this is a very tight player who wouldn't reraise with anything but AK, AA, KK, or QQ then you're going to have to see a flop with no A no K and then still not play the pants off of it for fear of an ace or king. So it really comes down to knowing your opponent and betting the hand accordingly, though with any opponent, unless you are hopelessly pot committed you can't call the all in with the king up there. You don't mention stack sized in your query either and they are very important to the play of the hand. I'm assuming that it was early and everybody had roughly 1000 chips? Then I think your flat call was appropriate as was dumping the hand when the king came and he pushed on you. | ||
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| Re: NL sit n go, Scrubbie, 3. Jul 2003 12:27 | ||
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| Good post Stdioh. The first thing that came to mind when read that the blinds were still at 15/30 ... is that it was early in the Tourney. Maybe only a few hands in. Thus, you probably haven't had the chance to find out if your opponent is a rock, or as loose as my first girlfriend. (well ... maybe not that loose). You have no idea if he is one who will bet anything in position, or will always bet/check with top pair. In your spot, you made the right decision so early in the Tourney. With overcards on the flop, I second everything stdioh said. If it were later in the Tourney, and you had a better read on the player, you might (and that is a big might, cause as Stdioh said, you may still need to avoid an Ace) be able to call. Although, I hate calling with very little outs. You almost need to be the one pushing all in with Queens, and make them have the hard decision. Scrubbie "The comforting thing about a bad beat .... there is always another one waiting around the corner, to make you forget about that last one!!!" | ||
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| Re: NL sit n go, TKarrde, 3. Jul 2003 12:24 | ||
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| Yes. I agree. It is a fold situation. No second thought. But something that I sometimes do is but in a bet (probably more than the minimum as I feel sometimes that even a minimum bet is a sign of weakness.) Now if for some reason he came in with KQ or KJ he might put you on AK and fold. And by acting first it doesn't give him a good chance to bluff you off of the pot. But if he comes over the top of you throw it away. But I hate the check... it is like saying... "I don't have a King, please take this pot away from me". TKarrde "You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never to get involved in a land war in Asia. And only slightly less well known is this: never go in against a Sicilian (Mozman) when death is on the line!" | ||
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| Re: NL sit n go, Scrubbie, 3. Jul 2003 12:34 | ||
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| on 3. Jul 2003 12:24 TKarrde wrote: > But something that I sometimes do is but in a bet (probably more than the minimum as > I feel sometimes that even a minimum bet is a sign of weakness.) I agree with your comment. As I stated in my earlier post, I don't much like calling in these situations. A bet here may win you the pot outright, or possible get the "K" to just call, thus giving a chance to improve on 4th street. Plus, you get information if someone calls. Now you can at least put that person on something! Scrubbie "The comforting thing about a bad beat .... there is always another one waiting around the corner, to make you forget about that last one!!!" | ||
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| Re: NL sit n go, stdioh, 3. Jul 2003 12:34 | ||
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| If he had just called preflop then I agree that betting hard on the flop here is essential. Possibly as much as a pot sized bet .... and depends on the opponent too. However, since he reraised preflop and you called that, you have shown weakness and he has shown strength. He is looking at you as having AJ, AQ, QK, QQ, JJ, TT, or some other bottom shelf raising hand. He is also likely himself to be holding AK, AA, or KK (we can leave out QQ because you have it) and thus it is not wonder that he wants to bet this flop hard. I don't think in this case that he would balk at your bet as it would only convince him that you are on QK or AK at best. If he's got AK that makes it easy for him to come back at you. | ||
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| Re: NL sit n go, TKarrde, 3. Jul 2003 12:41 | ||
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| I disagree a bit. I have seen a lot of people RERAISE with a medium pair to get it HEADS-UP hoping that the original raiser was raising with any pair or a Black Jack. Does David show weakness by checking the raise. Maybe. Maybe not. I don't think you know anything until you bet out on the flop. TKarrde "You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never to get involved in a land war in Asia. And only slightly less well known is this: never go in against a Sicilian (Mozman) when death is on the line!" | ||
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| Re: NL sit n go, Big_Slick, 3. Jul 2003 13:03 | ||
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| You need to fold this hand. Your opponent could have nothing and might be bluffing but you can't take that chance in this spot. You have to assume that he reraised you with a reasonable hand. Pull back your guns and live to fight another day. | ||
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