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 nl tourney question., mongi, 2. Jul 2003 16:30 | ||
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| I am going to play in a No Limit tournament $125 to get in. We get 2000 in chips, the blinds start at 25-50 and the limits change every 20minutes. At what point do you need to make some moves. It seems as though you are not going to have much time to wait for premium cards? What is the best strategy here/ | ||
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| Re: nl tourney question., Big_Slick, 2. Jul 2003 18:27 | ||
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| Are there re-buys? That is one factor that can dictate on how aggresive you can be early on. | ||
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| Re: nl tourney question., Paul Stine, 2. Jul 2003 20:33 | ||
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| on 2. Jul 2003 16:30 mongi wrote: > I am going to play in a No Limit tournament $125 to get in. We get 2000 in > chips, the blinds start at 25-50 and the limits change every 20minutes. At what > point do you need to make some moves. It seems as though you are not going to > have much time to wait for premium cards? What is the best strategy here It really depends on how fast the blinds rise. If you are dealt into about 36 hands an hour you can expect to take the blinds about 3 or 4 times. Let's assume that at one level (let's day the second level) you would take them twice and in the other two level you would take them once. If the blinds doubled every level (they could go up slower) the costs of the blinds are then 25+50 = 75 at level 1 2*(50+100) = 300 at level 2 100+200 = 300 at level 3 or 675 for the three levels combined. After these blind costs you would have 1325 left of your original 2000 if you never played a hand. In the fourth level a standard open raise of 4X the big blind would be (again, assuming doubling of the blinds) 1600 chips. So, that says that you need to win at least one meaningful hand in the first 3 rounds. If you continued to just fold hands you would blind off your chips in the 5th level or so. Now a tournament where the blinds are doubled every round is becoming more and more rare (at least in B&M rooms). You would probably see something like 25+50 = 75 2*(50+75) = 250 50 + 100 = 150 or 475 for three limits. If in round 4 the blinds become 75 & 150, then you would need only 600 to make that opening raise and you would have 925 left in your stack to push that hand or to play in another. This obviously makes a BIG difference. (You are starting with 40X the big blind. In the $10K WSOP you would start with 200X the big blind (I think they start at 25-50 blinds.)) In an article that I recently read (http://www.pokerpages.com/articles/archives/samuel20.htm) Paul Samuel contends that you should expect to see a playable hand (AA-88, AK, AQ, AJ) within 33 hands with about a 90% certainty. Paul Stine College Station, TX | ||
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| Re: nl tourney question., stdioh, 4. Jul 2003 08:36 | ||
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| Doesn't sound like too bad a structure. I would say that in general, you need to turn up the juice when your stack is less than 20 big blinds, but it depends on so much more. You'd need to see how the others were playing, what their stacks were like, what kind of moves they were making, etc. I find that if I'm playing with total idiots and I catch AA early in the tournament, I know that I don't stand to make a huge amount from it normally and I don't want to danger of getting drawn out on and being suckered in, I'll sometimes push all-in preflop with it. You'd be surprised at how often an inexperienced player decides to be the table sherrif and call you to keep you honest. | ||
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