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 Did I play TOO slow?, mkpoker, 1. Jul 2003 13:35 | ||
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| Early in a 2 table NL Sit 'n Go (blinds 15/30). I was chip leader with 1780, but everyone was clustered around 1500. I'm in the SB dealt K5s--a hand I'll almost never play. Three callers to me. For some wacky reason, I limp in. BB checks (5 players total). Miracle flop comes 5hKdKc. So I'm thinking slow play--highly unlikely that anyone will catch me. I check. Checks all around the table. Turn comes 2h (putting a flush draw on the board). I check, checks all around. River comes As. This means no flush or straight draws. I'm a surefire winner here (unless some idiot was holding AA or AK)--but there's still only a few bucks in the pot! I was afraid it would be checked around again, so I bet 500. I got one caller, who lost with AT. Do you think I played this hand too slowly (or not slowly enough--maybe should have checked the river)? Any ideas for how I could have sucked more money out of this miracle flop? | ||
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| Re: Did I play TOO slow?, shorn, 1. Jul 2003 13:43 | ||
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| When you flop a made hand like that, it is tough to extract money from your opponents. The flop had no draws at all so the only hand that someone will call you with has the potential to beat you later (K with a kicker higher than 5). In these cases, I refer back to Sklansky's "to slowplay, the next card must have a good chance of giving someone a second best hand, but a small chance of being a miracle card to beat you." I don't think your hand applies here. Many folks would limp with KT, KJ, and KQ, any of which could beat you if you try to slowplay. I would have bet out the flop and won the small pot and if called and the turn came as it did, then maybe checkraised the turn. You had little hope of getting $$ from anyone except the case K and likely he would have come over the top of you with a good kicker (which is what you want). | ||
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| Re: Did I play TOO slow?, Risky Business, 1. Jul 2003 13:47 | ||
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| I check the flop and bet the turn, hoping for a whole big bet return if someone does follow me. If they're still around, it looks like I tried to steal it on the turn, so I checkraise the river if they'll bet out trying to steal it back.......but I don't bet the river because they'll most likely fold, so my expectation is equal. on 1. Jul 2003 13:43 shorn wrote: > When you flop a made hand like that, it is tough to extract money from your > opponents. The flop had no draws at all so the only hand that someone will call you > with has the potential to beat you later (K with a kicker higher than 5). In these > cases, I refer back to Sklansky's "to slowplay, the next card must have a good chance > of giving someone a second best hand, but a small chance of being a miracle card to > beat you." > > I don't think your hand applies here. Many folks would limp with KT, KJ, and KQ, > any of which could beat you if you try to slowplay. I would have bet out the flop > and won the small pot and if called and the turn came as it did, then maybe > checkraised the turn. You had little hope of getting $$ from anyone except the case > K and likely he would have come over the top of you with a good kicker (which is what > you want). | ||
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| Re: Did I play TOO slow?, mkpoker, 1. Jul 2003 14:01 | ||
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| on 1. Jul 2003 13:43 shorn wrote: > When you flop a made hand like that, it is tough to extract money from your > opponents. The flop had no draws at all so the only hand that someone will call you > with has the potential to beat you later (K with a kicker higher than 5). In these > cases, I refer back to Sklansky's "to slowplay, the next card must have a good chance > of giving someone a second best hand, but a small chance of being a miracle card to > beat you." > > I don't think your hand applies here. Many folks would limp with KT, KJ, and KQ, > any of which could beat you if you try to slowplay. I would have bet out the flop > and won the small pot and if called and the turn came as it did, then maybe > checkraised the turn. You had little hope of getting $$ from anyone except the case > K and likely he would have come over the top of you with a good kicker (which is what > you want). A fair point. But I was thinking that if an opponent had KJ or KT (hands that could beat me with a lucky draw, as you note), they surely sould have bet the flop or turn (top set and a good kicker). Hence, I put my opponents on either Ax or mid-pairs, neither or which could really hurt me. I've learned (the hard way) not to slowplay when I have a reasonable chance of being beaten, but I just didn't see that happening here. | ||
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| Re: Did I play TOO slow?, Andrew Wells, 1. Jul 2003 18:28 | ||
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| Except you don't know that information until the turn, and by then you have already elected to have started the slowplay on the flop. By betting the flop you have given yourself an opportunity to see who may then be slowplayed on the turn. These would be potential callers instead of raisers on the flop. On good days you let someone have a draw at their extra values, here in the form of a runner-runner flush. It's like having the draw yourself, the upside being an extra two or three bets on the river. | ||
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| Re: Did I play TOO slow?, Big_Slick, 1. Jul 2003 13:49 | ||
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| I would have bet this. You'd be surprised at the flops people bet into (especially low limit). It amazes me everyday. The best case senario is that someone else has the 4th king. This is when you mop up. I once flopped J-J-J with J-2 in the SB. I bet and had 3 callers. In general, it is almost never correct to slow play. Just today there was a flop A-A-10. There were 2 callers. One had Q-Q and the other had 9-8. Unbelieveable. So you never know! | ||
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| Re: Did I play TOO slow?, beigs, 2. Jul 2003 09:20 | ||
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| It seems like slow playing the flop would be okay because only the case King would bet out or call. Maybe aces if they were in LP and it checked to them. But when a flush draw comes out on the turn I would say bet. Then you may get anyone with the case King AND the flush draws betting and hoping for a miracle that won't win the hand. Beigs | ||
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