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 No limit hold'em hand, Schuster, 1. Jul 2003 11:53 | ||
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| We're down to 9 people (but still 2 tables, 5 at my table) at a local NL tournament. The blinds are 25 and 50, I'm on the button with 225 in chips, Second shortest in chips. UTG limps in with about 800 in chips (he NEVER folded preflop unless it was raised, he limped with *everything* literally) and the player next to him limps in. This player was a solid player. He would raise in this spot with a good hand. My guess is he was on somethign marginal, but better than the crap UTG had been playing all night. He had about 850 in chips. The next player, a reasonable player but perhaps a little loose with his all-in steals moves in for 186. I look down and see two red jacks. If I moved in over top of him, I'm about 95% sure everyone else would get out of the way. The tournament payed the top 5 finishers, and after one more player was eliminated, the tables would be combined. The next shortest stack after me was about 375, at the other table, and about 500 after that. What would you do here? Lee | ||
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| Re: No limit hold'em hand, RICK K, 1. Jul 2003 12:16 | ||
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| Since getting to the final table still does not put you into the money. Along with the stated chip amounts and how you believe the players are playing their hands, I go all in right there, aggressively showing the strength of my hand. as you've stated, that "should" pave the way. One other thing came to mind though, how would they read your move based on how YOU have been playing so far? Rick K | ||
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| Re: No limit hold'em hand, Schuster, 1. Jul 2003 12:24 | ||
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| I'd been playing very tight most of the time, and that image was only amplified by my lack of hands. My concern is whether I should risk 3/4 of the last of my chips against the already all in player to my right. | ||
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| Re: No limit hold'em hand, mroban, 1. Jul 2003 12:26 | ||
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| Lee: As a limit player converting to NL I don't have the "expert" answer, but I am dying to see what the experts say. From what it sounds like though, it seems like you are thinking that you might have the raiser beat and certainly the two limpers. Despite the fact that you are close to the money, you are the 2nd lowest chip total, so wouldn't this be your golden opportunity to almost double up? Easy for me to say here (since I was not smelling the money like you were) but based on your post, it sounds like your instinct was to move all in. If that was your instinct, it was probably the right move. I think thats what you would extrapolate from TJ Cloutier's book on the subject anyway. Of course, I could be wrong. I am really curious to know what you did. | ||
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| Re: No limit hold'em hand, mkpoker, 1. Jul 2003 13:22 | ||
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| I think you've got to go all in here. With only 250 in chips at 25/50 blinds, you're at desperation time. It's costing you 75 every 5 hands (with 5 at the table)! Are you going to do better than JJ in the next 5-10 hands? Probably not. Clearly, I wouldn't make this move if you were doing better, but you're at serious risk of blinding-out. I don't think you've got much choice. | ||
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| Re: No limit hold'em hand, shorn, 1. Jul 2003 13:32 | ||
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| I think you HAVE to push in here. You are the lowest stack, there is potentially 175 in "dead" money in the pot if you do as the 800 stacks (whcih soulnd kind of average) probably don't want to get involved in a big pot, and you can isolate hopefully on a coin flip hand (AQ, AK) and maybe even get the better of it if he has AJ. You basically had 15 hands in which to make a move (3 rotations) and it was to the point where everyone was going to begin to wait you out. Yes, JJ isn't the strongest, but with the above factors I think it is a no-brainer all-in. | ||
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| Re: No limit hold'em hand, Mark, 1. Jul 2003 14:05 | ||
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| The only way i wouldn't go all-in in this situations was if 1. the all-in raiser was very tight and was probably holding AQ or better 2. If you were right on the bubble AND the money was significant. The fact that the raiser was loose and short stacked really makes the call a good play. He may be making a play with garbage, reading the two limpers the same way that you read them. Now that being said, if you had a REALLY good read on the others at the table, you may want to pass on this hand and try to out play the opponents you can read. But its late in a tournament with the blinds big relative to your stack, so you have to make a move soon. mark | ||
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| Re: No limit hold'em hand, noiseboy, 1. Jul 2003 14:39 | ||
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| Short handed, there is much less chance someone has AA-QQ's. Your JJ's are a monster short handed, and you are running low on chips anyway. I say you push in since there might be a chance you'll win right there, but if they don't fold, you still have a pretty good hand especially 4-handed. Pray to the poker gods for no over-cards! | ||
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| Re: No limit hold'em hand, palman, 2. Jul 2003 01:37 | ||
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| If JJ can beat doyle, it sure as hell can beat this clown. That's my logic and I'm sticking to it. | ||
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| Re: No limit hold'em hand, NiceFella, 2. Jul 2003 18:53 | ||
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| You must play your cards properly, independently of outside concerns such as whether there are 9 or 10 players remaining. To get paid you need to reach 5th place. This means that being stingy with your remaining chips is not going to work -- you need to get some more chips, and fast. JJ -- probably the best hand you'll see for quite a while -- is your ticket. Move all in. Someone has to win every hand. If you just fold hoping to last a little longer, you will fall further and further behind the players still willing to play. Tournament victory happens as a result of good aggressive play, not as a result of constantly looking around at other tables to see how many players are short-stacked. | ||
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