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 Two tourney hand questions, beigs, 30. Jun 2003 18:11 | ||
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| Okay... just finished the satellite I had entered in (see post below). I gotta tell you. I love Planet Poker's tournaments. I actually won this one! (I'll stop complaining about my amateur status soon.) There were two hands that I'm not sure if I misplayed. One was a slowplay that I'm not sure if there was a way to milk more money out of the pot. The other was an opportunity to put someone all-in that I missed. 1) Blinds are 10/20. Limits are 20/40. I'm not sure what chip position I was in but I was the leader for a good portion of the tournament. I'm dealt 45o in the SB. 2 limpers ahead of me. I limp as well. Flop comes 6 7 8 with 2 hearts. I check. It checks around to LP player who bets. I call. One limper folds. The other calls. Turn is Kc. I check again. It checks around. River is free. River is Ac. I bet out. One player folds. LP player who originally bet Flop calls. I won with my straight. After looking at my hand history, the LP player had A6o. I tried to slowplay the flopped straight. Now, I'm not sure if that was the right play because a) there was a flush draw and b)the River was seen for free. I'm wondering if there was a way to get another bet out of this hand. 2) 5 players left Blinds 15/30. Limits 30/60. I'm dealt pocket 8's in the SB. One limper. BB raises. Limper and I both call. Flop comes 4 J 9 two clubs. I bet out (not sure why, though. Must have been trying to represent top pair. Still, not a smart thing to do in retrospect.) Original raiser folds. Other limper calls. Now... this other limper had been all over the map in terms of chip position. He was down to the felt about 5 times so I knew that he didn't always play the strongest cards. He did finish second, though so I'm sure he's not complaining. Anyway... Turn comes 6s. checks around. river is 4d. checks around. My 8's hold up. He had A7os. Now... it is then that I realize that one BB would have put him all in. How should I have handled this? I know that I played this one poorly. Also... what is the protocol for taking your time? The game moves so fast that I get caught up in what I have and playing that rather than also trying to recall the betting pattern of my opponent, what he may have, etc. Thanks for all the help. Beigs | ||
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| Re: Two tourney hand questions, Mark, 30. Jun 2003 18:22 | ||
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| In the first situation, you should have come out firing on the flop. You had an ignorant end str8 and needed to protect your hand. By not betting you were giving everyone a free chance to beat you. You got lucky on that one. in the second situation, you should always attack short stacks. Some players will play very tight when short stacked and give up alot of pots, others will go all-in with garbage. Again, don't let players draw for free unless you have the mortal nuts ( or a VERY good read) Mark | ||
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| Re: Two tourney hand questions, NiceFella, 30. Jun 2003 20:45 | ||
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| In both cases I think you need to be much more aggressive. When you flop the small end of a straight, you are not sitting as pretty as you think. Don't even consider slowplaying this. Bet and raise this hand. Your opponents will probably not think you have a straight yet, and will call with a wide variety of hands.Get your money while you can. If another heart comes or a 9 or 10 comes, either you will be beaten, or people will be afraid to call your bets. Letting the turn get checked around is not always a terrible play if this will encourage someone to bluff on the river. But when there is both a straight draw and a flush draw possible you need to be doing some serious betting. On the second hand, I like your flop bet. You need to be aggressive and odds are against someone else having a pair. When the turn comes with the relatively harmless 6s, you should bet again. After all your opponent has shown no strength, and if your opponent folds you win. Many opponents (like me) will bet simply because you checked, and that would put you in an uncomfortable guessing situation. By betting you force your opponent to have a good hand. By checking, you invite a showdown where something lame like a 9 will beat you. | ||
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| Re: Two tourney hand questions, Risky Business, 1. Jul 2003 09:54 | ||
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| 1. Bet the flopped low straight. Most likely, they'll think you're on a flush draw or a higher straight draw and are just trying to get money in the pot. If checking is your bag, fine, but don't let those big bets go by without betting. If a 9 hits, you're out of the hand, so you're shooting for the pot now! 2. Betting for information, otherwise knows as aggression, will always be debated. You're a checker, we can all see that now (not in next UPF tourney though I'm sure), but this time you bet. Maybe that fella knew that, doubtful though. You should slap yourself for not realizing that his checks meant weakness. You gave him an opportunity to catch that Ace and make you his 6th victim, and stay in the tourney. All in all, congrats on the win. It will be more pleasurable beating you next time. on 30. Jun 2003 18:11 beigs wrote: > > Okay... just finished the satellite I had entered in (see post below). I gotta > tell you. I love Planet Poker's tournaments. I actually won this one! (I'll > stop complaining about my amateur status soon.) > > There were two hands that I'm not sure if I misplayed. One was a slowplay that > I'm not sure if there was a way to milk more money out of the pot. The other > was an opportunity to put someone all-in that I missed. > > 1) Blinds are 10/20. Limits are 20/40. I'm not sure what chip position I was > in but I was the leader for a good portion of the tournament. I'm dealt 45o in > the SB. 2 limpers ahead of me. I limp as well. > > Flop comes 6 7 8 with 2 hearts. I check. It checks around to LP player who > bets. I call. One limper folds. The other calls. > > Turn is Kc. I check again. It checks around. River is free. > > River is Ac. I bet out. One player folds. LP player who originally bet Flop > calls. I won with my straight. After looking at my hand history, the LP player > had A6o. > > I tried to slowplay the flopped straight. Now, I'm not sure if that was the > right play because a) there was a flush draw and b)the River was seen for free. > I'm wondering if there was a way to get another bet out of this hand. > > 2) 5 players left Blinds 15/30. Limits 30/60. I'm dealt pocket 8's in the > SB. One limper. BB raises. Limper and I both call. > > Flop comes 4 J 9 two clubs. I bet out (not sure why, though. Must have been > trying to represent top pair. Still, not a smart thing to do in retrospect.) > Original raiser folds. Other limper calls. Now... this other limper had been > all over the map in terms of chip position. He was down to the felt about 5 > times so I knew that he didn't always play the strongest cards. He did finish > second, though so I'm sure he's not complaining. Anyway... > > Turn comes 6s. checks around. river is 4d. checks around. My 8's hold up. > He had A7os. Now... it is then that I realize that one BB would have put him > all in. How should I have handled this? I know that I played this one poorly. > Also... what is the protocol for taking your time? The game moves so fast that > I get caught up in what I have and playing that rather than also trying to > recall the betting pattern of my opponent, what he may have, etc. > > Thanks for all the help. > Beigs | ||
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| Re: Two tourney hand questions, beigs, 1. Jul 2003 10:00 | ||
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| I'm not detecting a little resentment, am I? :) And don't worry... I'm getting over my inclination to check all the time. | ||
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| Re: Two tourney hand questions, Risky Business, 1. Jul 2003 10:20 | ||
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| Nah. I just haven't received my shirt yet. What's up with that!! on 1. Jul 2003 10:00 beigs wrote: > > I'm not detecting a little resentment, am I? :) And don't worry... I'm getting over my > inclination to check all the time. | ||
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| Re: Two tourney hand questions, beigs, 1. Jul 2003 10:58 | ||
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| I haven't either! Damn... I was just starting to think Planet's customer service was pretty good! on 1. Jul 2003 10:20 Risky Business wrote: > Nah. I just haven't received my shirt yet. What's up with that!! > > on 1. Jul 2003 10:00 beigs wrote: > > > > I'm not detecting a little resentment, am I? :) And don't worry... I'm getting over my > > inclination to check all the time. | ||
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