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 AK sOOted, Don Quixote, 29. Jun 2003 12:00 | ||
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| Out of slightly over 8,000 hands I was dealt AKs 24 times of which I won 12 times. Only two of these wins were flushes, and there were no straights. Won $62. Thinking this over, I am wondering if it would be better to generally open/raise or call/raise with AKs the same as I do with AK. It would seem to me that I would reduce the field a little, thus giving me a better chance for a win. I know that generally it depends, but in general what do you all think? Thanks for any thoughts and/or advice. Don Quixote | ||
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| Re: AK sOOted, Al, 29. Jun 2003 12:41 | ||
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| on 29. Jun 2003 12:00 Don Quixote wrote: > Out of slightly over 8,000 hands I was dealt AKs 24 times of which I won 12 > times. Only two of these wins were flushes, and there were no straights. Won > $62. > > Thinking this over, I am wondering if it would be better to generally > open/raise or call/raise with AKs the same as I do with AK. It would seem to me > that I would reduce the field a little, thus giving me a better chance for a > win. > > I know that generally it depends, but in general what do you all think? > Thanks for any thoughts and/or advice. > > Don Quixote Hi, I think it's a myth that you should smooth call AKs to gain customers in the hope that you hit a flush draw. I always raise with AKs to reduce the field, just as with AKos, and use the fact that they're suited as an extra out should I pick up a flush draw. Regards, Al. | ||
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| Re: AK sOOted, Big_Slick, 29. Jun 2003 13:11 | ||
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| Most people raise with A-K. I will usually just call, especially if there was a raise in front of me. If I am in late position and noone has bet, I will raise. My theory is that A-K is still a drawing hand. Unless an Ace or King shows up on the flop, you are usually playing catch-up. I will frequently fold A-K on the flop if a dangerous looking board shows up and there are multiple players. Players will argue this hand forever. The important thing to do is play the hand however you feel comfortable playing it. One last thing... whenever you are making dollar references in poker, it is better to reference your win/lose in relation to big bets. Saying that you've won $62 doesn't tell us much. If you are playing .50/1.00 you are doing good at 62 BB's. If you are playing 5/10, you are doing bad with only 6 BB's. | ||
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| Re: AK sOOted, Don Quixote, 29. Jun 2003 14:49 | ||
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| Thanks Al and Big_Slick. I overlooked the limit at which I was playing. It was $.50/1. Don on 29. Jun 2003 13:11 Big_Slick wrote: > Most people raise with A-K. I will usually just call, especially if there was a raise > in front of me. If I am in late position and noone has bet, I will raise. > > My theory is that A-K is still a drawing hand. Unless an Ace or King shows up on > the flop, you are usually playing catch-up. I will frequently fold A-K on the flop if > a dangerous looking board shows up and there are multiple players. > > Players will argue this hand forever. The important thing to do is play the hand > however you feel comfortable playing it. > > One last thing... whenever you are making dollar references in poker, it is better > to reference your win/lose in relation to big bets. Saying that you've won $62 > doesn't tell us much. If you are playing .50/1.00 you are doing good at 62 BB's. If > you are playing 5/10, you are doing bad with only 6 BB's. > | ||
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| Re: AK sOOted, Roy Cooke, 29. Jun 2003 18:15 | ||
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| AK suited is a hand in which I like to play against a field. It has a lot of hands "all trapped up" and I want the trapped hands to call. That said, if I think limping will not induce a field or the field would call anyway if I raised then I will go ahead and raise rather than trap. Roy Cooke > Out of slightly over 8,000 hands I was dealt AKs 24 times of which I won 12 > times. Only two of these wins were flushes, and there were no straights. Won > $62. > > Thinking this over, I am wondering if it would be better to generally > open/raise or call/raise with AKs the same as I do with AK. It would seem to me > that I would reduce the field a little, thus giving me a better chance for a > win. > > I know that generally it depends, but in general what do you all think? > Thanks for any thoughts and/or advice. > > Don Quixote | ||
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| Re: AK sOOted, mongi, 29. Jun 2003 19:42 | ||
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| With AK suited you should try to get in as much money preflop as possible. Sometimes I limp and sometimes I raise and reraise. Alot depends on how much respect I am getting on my raises. If I feel everyone is going to fold I will limp. If I am still going to get several callers then I will raise. With AK offsuite in low limit games I usually limp with it. I find that I make more money this way because when I do flop an Ace I end up getting action from those with smaller Aces who might otherwise stay out of my way because I raised. Also when the flop comes up rags it is easier to still the pot. If I raised people will tend to put me on the exact hand I have and try to call me down. When the pot is unraised they will give me more credit for having a legitimate holding. I will raise AK offsuite if I know I can limit the field to two or three players, or raise to isolate bad players. The occasional raise utg is good sometimes so people don't always put you on a big pocket pair. | ||
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| Re: AK sOOted, SendMoney, 30. Jun 2003 00:06 | ||
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| I have to agree with Roy on this one. If you have AKs or AKo UTG why raise here? You're only encouraging loose callers to fold hands like A9o, K10s or the like. What's more let's say you raise AK suited or offsuit early, get an A or K on the flop, you bet, others are now more inclined to fold even with top pair fearing you might have AA or KK and you've hit a boss set. Barring the occasional suckout by big underdogs you'll be getting a lot of money from top pair, weaker kicker most of the time since they'll call you all the way. What's more AK is one of those hands you SHOULD bet on the river if no one has raised your bets, since the river bet has good value although you might have to call the occasional raise to a hand that beats you. More of the time you'll get the extra big bet out of AQ AJ KQ KJ and those Axs that the undisciplined players can't get away from when they hit an A on the flop. | ||
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| Re: AK sOOted, shorn, 30. Jun 2003 05:15 | ||
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| It all depends upon the position of the hand. If I am UTG or 2nd in, then I will more likley limp with AKs to attract a bigger field. And, if someone happens to raise behind me, then I will make it 3 to go to trey and get a lot of dead money in the pot. However, if I am the first in with the hand in 5th position on, I am more likely to raise to either try and steal the blinds or to make it look like I am trying to steal to get weaker hands to call. | ||
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| Re: AK sOOted, stdioh, 4. Jul 2003 09:31 | ||
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| Preflop I treat AKs just as I would treat AK except that I'm willing to 3-bet out of the blinds with it. Lets say that I'm in the BB and it. Lets say that I'm on the SB and it is raised in MB and gets one cold caller. I want to be three handed with this and I have a slight edge over another player with AK (though he's got my outs). If I had AKo I would probably just call here and let the BB in for one, but with AKs I am that much stronger and I'll usually 3-bet for value and to chase him out. Likewise, I'll 3-bet in the BB for value here too and to take control of the hand. AKs has the very special property of being able to flop top pair with top kicker and a nut flush draw and that is just such an increadibly powerful hand. | ||
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