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 You won't believe this hand..., Big_Slick, 28. Jun 2003 20:24 | ||
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| I've been on a terrible slide this week. Been playing good poker, just been getting my ass handed to me by dumb-luck amateurs who don't know their ass from their elbow. Here's a hand I'm still shaking my head over. I was playing 3/6 at party Poker tonight. I'm dealt 9-10 and decide to limp in. There are 5 other callers. The flop comes 7h, 8s, 6d. I'm thinking "Great! Maybe my luck is changing." I was in EP and decided to check. I knew that someone would bet the hand for me. Well, one person bets and the next person raises. Hmm. Everyone calls around to me. Hmm. "What the hell," I say to myself sarcastically. "Everyone must have flopped the straight." So I make it 3 to go. It gets capped. The next card is the 3h. I check with the intention of raising. However, the hand gets bet, raised and reraised before it gets back to me. Hmmmm. OK. Lets make it 4 to go. I don't what they have or what they think they have, but I'm game. Even if I have to split the pot with another 9-10, I'm doing good. The river is the 8d. Shit. With a pair on the board, I know I'm screwed. Here are the final hands if you can believe it... Player 1: a straight, four to eight -- 8s,7h,6d,5h,4d Player 2: a full house, Sixes full of eights -- 8s,8d,6h,6s,6d Player 3: a straight, five to nine -- 9c,8s,7h,6d,5c Player 4: a full house, Sevens full of eights -- 8s,8d,7s,7d,7h Myself: a straight, six to ten -- Td,9s,8s,7h,6d The winner: a full house, Eights full of sixes -- 8h,8s,8d,6c,6d The river 8 made 3 people full-houses. I lost my flopped nut straight and my sanity. The pot was $378 or 63 big bets. This week alone, I've lost over $1500 on the river card. Tonight just topped off my horible week. And to be honest, at this point, I don't even care. I believe it's safe to say, my spirit has been broken. Maybe next week will be better. If it's not, I might just go broke. Maybe I should take up Crazy 8's. | ||
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| Re: You won't believe this hand..., Mark, 29. Jun 2003 07:12 | ||
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| Maybe you should tighten up. 10-9 in early position? Suited or not, that is too loose for me. mark | ||
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| Re: You won't believe this hand..., Big_Slick, 29. Jun 2003 07:21 | ||
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| I was in the SB and figured for $2 more with 5 players, I'd see a flop. | ||
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| Re: You won't believe this hand..., hudson, 29. Jun 2003 09:17 | ||
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| Slick-- I believe that I heard you yelping way out here in San Francisco--having your nuts busted on a four-out River redefines pain. I have never played online (blessedly, I live fifteen minutes from one of NoCal's best card rooms) so I really cannot forge much of an opinion on the legitimacy of virtual poker, but if you can afford $1500/week, I suggest flying to Vegas once a week and preying on wide-waisted and narrow-minded Midwestern Conventioneers (no offense to anyone residing in that part of the country, but have you ever attended a Packers/Bears game?) | ||
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| Re: You won't believe this hand..., Roy Cooke, 29. Jun 2003 18:21 | ||
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| Don't play again until your spirit is restored. Take a break , study and get mentally fresh.....Oh, and kick some ass! Roy Cooke on 28. Jun 2003 20:24 Big_Slick wrote: > I've been on a terrible slide this week. Been playing good poker, just been > getting my ass handed to me by dumb-luck amateurs who don't know their ass from > their elbow. > > Here's a hand I'm still shaking my head over. I was playing 3/6 at party Poker > tonight. I'm dealt 9-10 and decide to limp in. There are 5 other callers. The > flop comes 7h, 8s, 6d. I'm thinking "Great! Maybe my luck is changing." > > I was in EP and decided to check. I knew that someone would bet the hand for > me. Well, one person bets and the next person raises. Hmm. Everyone calls around > to me. Hmm. "What the hell," I say to myself sarcastically. "Everyone must have > flopped the straight." > > So I make it 3 to go. It gets capped. The next card is the 3h. I check with the > intention of raising. However, the hand gets bet, raised and reraised before it > gets back to me. Hmmmm. OK. Lets make it 4 to go. I don't what they have or what > they think they have, but I'm game. Even if I have to split the pot with another > 9-10, I'm doing good. > > The river is the 8d. Shit. With a pair on the board, I know I'm screwed. Here > are the final hands if you can believe it... > > Player 1: a straight, four to eight -- 8s,7h,6d,5h,4d > Player 2: a full house, Sixes full of eights -- 8s,8d,6h,6s,6d > Player 3: a straight, five to nine -- 9c,8s,7h,6d,5c > Player 4: a full house, Sevens full of eights -- 8s,8d,7s,7d,7h > Myself: a straight, six to ten -- Td,9s,8s,7h,6d > The winner: a full house, Eights full of sixes -- 8h,8s,8d,6c,6d > > The river 8 made 3 people full-houses. I lost my flopped nut straight and my > sanity. The pot was $378 or 63 big bets. This week alone, I've lost over > $1500 on the river card. Tonight just topped off my horible week. And to be > honest, at this point, I don't even care. I believe it's safe to say, my spirit > has been broken. > > Maybe next week will be better. If it's not, I might just go broke. Maybe I > should take up Crazy 8's. | ||
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| Re: You won't believe this hand..., Big_Slick, 29. Jun 2003 19:26 | ||
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| =) Thanks for the encouragement, Roy. It's been a bumpy road lately. | ||
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| Re: You won't believe this hand..., shorn, 30. Jun 2003 04:53 | ||
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| That is a tough beat Slick. But, I don't think you played it poorly...you got your $$ in with the best of it all the way through. I am hoping that you checked the river and when it came back to you for two or 3 bets, you mucked, right? At that point you have to figure you are beaten. Hang in there and take a break. As Roy pointed out, it is guaranteed that for a little while you won't be able to sit down with the right attitude. If you feel like playing poker, sit down and read Zen and the Art of Poker instead and come back fresh in a week or so. Some encouragement- since my poker hiatus in April, I have come back and won over $2000 on Party at 3/6, with a few unbelievably bad sessions in there. The fish will still be there when you decide to return. | ||
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| Re: You won't believe this hand..., mroban, 30. Jun 2003 13:12 | ||
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| Hey: Here is my two-cents from a guy with probably not much more experience than you, so whatever it is worth: Slowplaying a straight like this is a huge no-no. The play of the other players pretty much says that they weren't even considering that you might be slowplaying the nut straight. Had you bet it out and these maniacs kept calling and then beat you, then what can you do? But if you had raised, they would have to had considered the possibility that they were beat, and probably would not be reraising all the way. The way you played the hand invited aggression and when you got sucked out when the 8 spiked, you paid a bigger price than you had to. If you read Sklansky's "Hold em Poker for Advanced Players", he warns against slowplaying nut straights or flushes for the exact reason that you got busted with. If a nine spiked, you would be sharing the pot with anyone else holding a 10, same with a 10 spiking. You had to suspect at least 1 or 2 sets were made there. It is fair to say that the pot was somewhat protected pre-flop and everyone was more or less pot committed. So it could be argued that any raises were just building a pot, but I disagree with that. You had the best hand after the flop and the pot was certainly big enough to feel good about taking down in the unlikely scenario that everyone folded. You would have been correct betting on each round for value and to protect your hand. Generally, slowplaying is only correct when the pot is very small and when it is unlikely that another card can help anyone beat you. Here, you had three cards that could fill someone up and two other cards that would have resulted in a split pot. Anyway, thats my two cents. | ||
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| Re: You won't believe this hand..., Big_Slick, 30. Jun 2003 18:27 | ||
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| You must have misunderstood my post. I didn't slow play my straight. The flop and the turn both got maxed out with betting. | ||
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| Re: You won't believe this hand..., mdroban, 30. Jun 2003 20:24 | ||
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| I did misunderstand, so I apologize for my analysis. My bad. | ||
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| Re: You won't believe this hand..., Big_Slick, 30. Jun 2003 18:48 | ||
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| Here is my two-cents from a guy with probably not much more experience than you Um... I've got a lot of experience and have read "Hold em Poker for Advanced Players" many times through. Though I don't really see what that has to do with anything. Since I was first to act with a full table, I checked on the flop looking to check-raise. My evaluation of the table told me that someone would bet for me and I was correct. I was not looking to slow-play the straight... just the opposite. I was looking to build as large a pot as I could. But if you had raised, they would have to had considered the possibility that they were beat, and probably would not be reraising all the way. Um... I did raise. In fact, the flop and the turn each got maxed at 4 bets. And trust me, most of the idiots playing 3/6 HE on Party Poker never consider that they might be beat. 80% play with blinders on. It is fair to say that the pot was somewhat protected pre-flop and everyone was more or less pot committed. Why would you say that? There was no pre-flop raising. Everyone limped into the hand. If you read Sklansky's "Hold em Poker for Advanced Players", he warns against slowplaying nut straights or flushes for the exact reason that you got busted with. I didn' t get "busted" because of the way I played the hand. I lost the hand because someone got lucky with a 26:1 river card. The way you played the hand invited aggression Good... that is generally what you want when you hold the nut hand isn't it? Or did I miss that chapter in Sklansky's book too? You had to suspect at least 1 or 2 sets were made there. Yes, I did happen to pick that up... and again, what does that have to do with how the hand was played? Here, you had three cards that could fill someone up and two other cards that would have resulted in a split pot. Yesssss... and?... I don't really see how I could have played the hand any differently when the flop and the turn each get maxed out with betting. I did as much raising as I could. Thanks for your 2 pennies, but I would play the hand the same way again. | ||
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| Re: You won't believe this hand..., mdroban, 30. Jun 2003 20:23 | ||
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| Hey Slick: Like I said its my two cents, but I agree that you would have had the same result regardless. I realized after my post that everyone limped in, so I was wrong about the protected pot. I interpreted your actions as a slowplay so if I was mistaken I take back what I said. | ||
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| Re: You won't believe this hand..., Rick Mathews, 30. Jun 2003 18:05 | ||
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| Enjoyed your story. Hope the week is going your way thus far. | ||
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