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 To my left, to my right... ???, Keyser Soze, 26. Jun 2003 09:33 | ||
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| I keep hearing about this person "to my left" or "to my right" Excuse me if this is a stupid question, but I've had difficulty understanding this theory... With the button moving clockwise, isn't everyone to your left or right multiple times per session?? | ||
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| Re: To my left, to my right... ???, shorn, 26. Jun 2003 09:40 | ||
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| Yes, but the discussion is your "relative" position to certain players. With the exception of when you have the button, the player to your left will act after you on all hands. And, with the exception of when they have the button, the player to your right will act before you on all hands. So, depending on your stype of play and that of the players that are at the table, you may want certain types of players to your left and certain types on your right. Money tends to flow clockwise around the table (follows the button), so you need to try and have the best position at the table relative to the others that are there and how their playing style fits in with yours. | ||
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| Re: To my left, to my right... ???, Guru, 26. Jun 2003 09:42 | ||
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| on 26. Jun 2003 09:33 Keyser Soze wrote: > I keep hearing about this person "to my left" or "to my right" Excuse me if > this is a stupid question, but I've had difficulty understanding this theory... > With the button moving clockwise, isn't everyone to your left or right multiple > times per session?? Actually the person to your left or right is to your left or right 80 - 90% of the time. Let's say the person to your left. They bet after you every hand except for the one that they act first. So, if it's a ten handed game, they bet after you nine times a round. Same with the person to your right, except they bet before you nine out of ten times. That means they can affect your game a great deal. | ||
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| Re: To my left, to my right... ???, mroban, 26. Jun 2003 10:23 | ||
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| For example, if you are playing at a table with one maniac, you should try to sit just to his left (assuming the players to YOUR left are kind of passive and not going re-raise that often). This allows you to wait and see what the maniac does most of the time before acting. Only downside is that he will be raising your SB a lot (but this can work to your advantage if you are patient). Some people might prefer to sit 3 seats to the left to make it easier to call one raise with a good drawing hand. 2 seats to the left and you have a maniac constantly raising your BB. You will not see many flops here (although, the maniac can still raise your BB from the SB and will do that almost as often). The problem with being on the right of a maniac is that he will re-raise you for seemingly random reasons. So often the correct play will either be to fold or re-raise. This can create major swings in your bankroll (but can be very lucrative if you are patient). Patience is required in both instances and in either case, with patience you will (eventually) destroy the maniac. But its easier to get on a tilt (IMO) with the maniac acting afterwards. With the maniac acting first, you can fold more hands and wait until you have the best of it to act. The maniac will be raising with medium connectors, Axunsuited and the like, so when you have legit raising hands you can usually trap him fairly easily. Also, the maniac will almost always bet into the field from out of position if he raised preflop. This again makes your decisions on the flop easier than guessing if he is going to reraise you if you get a flop you like. Remember, if you are acting before the maniac, you cannot bluff him so don't even try. Checking and calling actually becomes an effective technique (which Mike Caro talks about it one of his audio lessons). I am not an expert by any stretch, but this scenario is so common in online cardrooms and in low limit B&M games. | ||
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| Re: To my left, to my right... ???, shorn, 26. Jun 2003 11:15 | ||
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| I prefer to be on the maniac's left. That way you can re-raise his raises with your strongest hands and isolate him and you will be forced to throw away your more marginal starting cards regardless of position because you will generally be facing calling two bets cold from the maniac. Being on the right causes you to be in too much of a guessing game with marginal holdings, some place I don't want to be. | ||
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| Re: To my left, to my right... ???, Risky Business, 26. Jun 2003 11:26 | ||
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| I'd rather play BEFORE a maniac. He'll raise MY bet, which may or may not be effective in isolating us, but I get to see whether or not it does before I put in my other half of the bet. I get to decide whether or not I want to call with my single bet out there, rather than raising his bet and hoping that nobody else comes in to the pot as well. Maybe not the correct forum, but I'm not nearly afraid of a maniac as I am a big stack. Granted, this would be in the tournaments only, as I want to be to the left of a big stack at a table (Sit behind the money, as Mr. Caro preaches) on 26. Jun 2003 11:15 shorn wrote: > I prefer to be on the maniac's left. That way you can re-raise his raises with your strongest > hands and isolate him and you will be forced to throw away your more marginal starting cards > regardless of position because you will generally be facing calling two bets cold from the > maniac. Being on the right causes you to be in too much of a guessing game with marginal > holdings, some place I don't want to be. | ||
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| Re: To my left, to my right... ???, shorn, 26. Jun 2003 11:36 | ||
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| Interesting point. I guess that I am more comfortable deciding what to do with a marginal holding when facing a raise then if I have to try and determine whether our hero will raise after me. However, I can certainly see the merit in the way you want to play it...I think there is money to be made on both sides of the maniac. | ||
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| Re: To my left, to my right... ???, Risky Business, 26. Jun 2003 11:40 | ||
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| Mine sounds like a "penny saved is a penny earned" point of view. Plus, I like leading rather than following. The unpredictable nature of a maniac is what you're alluding to, which holds water as well. The point I make is that if I'm leading into this guy, I have something, or am willing to call a raise with whatever I've decided to chase. We both win, hopefully. on 26. Jun 2003 11:36 shorn wrote: > Interesting point. I guess that I am more comfortable deciding what to do with a marginal holding when > facing a raise then if I have to try and determine whether our hero will raise after me. However, I can > certainly see the merit in the way you want to play it...I think there is money to be made on both sides > of the maniac. | ||
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| Re: To my left, to my right... ???, mroban, 26. Jun 2003 13:24 | ||
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| I think it comes down to knowing yourself how you respond better in both scenarios. Clearly, patience is the key either way. With the maniac on my right, I find it easier to get out of hands than with him on my left. Thats why I brought up the idea of being 2 or 3 seats to the left (or right). It gives you time to see if there are more callers in between the maniacs raise. If they are calling and are not maniacs, you know you have a problem hand with a middle pair (or getting nice odds to re-raise when you have the best of it or on a big drawing hand). Still for me, I tend to play better keeping the maniacs on my right 1-3 spots. | ||
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| Re: To my left, to my right... ???, Keyser Soze, 26. Jun 2003 13:23 | ||
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| Thanks for all the input!! I now see the theory. Great explanations as to where you try to sit and why. Thanks!! "How do you shoot the devil in the back?? What if you miss....... ?? | ||
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