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 World Poker Tour (WPT) Comments, foraces, 25. Jun 2003 20:04 | ||
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| Does it aggrevate anyone else that Doyle Brunson coined the phrase "The Cadillac of poker" refering to no-limit hold'em and Mike Sexton uses it every week without giving Doyle credit and then even when Doyle makes a final table, he still doesn't get the credit? Also, why has Chris Ferguson been in the WPT commercials from day one even though he never made a final table? | ||
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| Re: World Poker Tour (WPT) Comments, Paul Stine, 25. Jun 2003 20:19 | ||
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| on 25. Jun 2003 20:04 foraces wrote: > Does it aggrevate anyone else that Doyle Brunson coined the phrase "The Cadillac > of poker" refering to no-limit hold'em and Mike Sexton uses it every week > without giving Doyle credit and then even when Doyle makes a final table, he > still doesn't get the credit? > > Also, why has Chris Ferguson been in the WPT commercials from day one even > though he never made a final table? It wouldn't bother me if I never heard the phrase, "Cadillac of poker" ever again. Same is true for 'it takes a minute to learn and a lifetime to master.' First, Chris is a great player. I believe that he won one or two more WSOP bracelets this year. Chris commented after his (first?) WSOP win this year that he had been running cold, having not monied in about 60 tournaments. Second, he has a classic poker player look in his hat and shades plus being one of the younger players, that is not an 'old guy.' This is TV, what are they going to have, Doyle, Doug Dalton, and Amarillo Slim sitting there playing? Paul Stine College Station, TX | ||
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| Re: World Poker Tour (WPT) Comments, foraces, 25. Jun 2003 20:37 | ||
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| I didn't mean anything disrespectful toward Chris.. everything you said is true. I wish I could play as wall as him. I just founf it strange that with two two time winners and a few other multiple final table appearances, they chose Chris to 'headline' the commercials since the beginning. Half of the events were over before any of the commercials aired. | ||
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| Re: World Poker Tour (WPT) Comments, gary ford, 25. Jun 2003 20:59 | ||
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| on 25. Jun 2003 20:37 foraces wrote: > I didn't mean anything disrespectful toward Chris.. everything you said is true. I > wish I could play as wall as him. > I just founf it strange that with two two time winners and a few other multiple > final table appearances, they chose Chris to 'headline' the commercials since the > beginning. Half of the events were over before any of the commercials aired. but----How did you like the show? | ||
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| Re: World Poker Tour (WPT) Comments, foraces, 25. Jun 2003 21:01 | ||
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| probably the best show of the season.. However, I still hate Vince and I think the show could use some work. Someone made some excellent suggestions last week | ||
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| Re: World Poker Tour (WPT) Comments, DJpoker, 25. Jun 2003 21:32 | ||
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| on 25. Jun 2003 21:01 foraces wrote: > probably the best show of the season.. However, I still hate Vince and I think the show could use > some work. Someone made some excellent suggestions last week I wanted to puke when Karil (sp) bluffed the 9 6 to the pocket QQ. That didn't make me so upset, but the hand after that (or at least the hand they showed next) "home game Pro" or whatever says Karil has turned into a camel because he kept drinking water. Doesn't that idiot know that a camel can go days without water and I gaurantee Karil was not thirsty LMAO My other comment is that I like the WTP because I was just having a convo with my uncle and grandfather (lifetime poker folk) and they were saying every tom, dick and harry is going to think 85o is a great hand. Swim fishie swim. | ||
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| Re: World Poker Tour (WPT) Comments, beigs, 26. Jun 2003 05:06 | ||
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| That camel comment was talked about all night at my house. Keep 'em coming VVP! Without you, we'd have to talk about poker! | ||
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| Re: World Poker Tour (WPT) Comments, Jav, 26. Jun 2003 10:03 | ||
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| I agree completely. Everyone watching gets to see an hour of heads up psychological play, then they can go to their local card room and try to play the same cards against a 10 person table. Sounds like opportunity to me! | ||
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| Re: World Poker Tour (WPT) Comments, foraces, 25. Jun 2003 21:00 | ||
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| One more thing... I hope no one takes this the wrong way, but why does Mike Sexton KEEP refering to Phil Ivey as "The Tiger Woods of Poker"? Since he is not a player who has won an extrodinary amount of recent tournyments, can I assume it is because he is young and black??? Does this seem like an unfair analogy to anyone else? | ||
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| Re: World Poker Tour (WPT) Comments, shorn, 26. Jun 2003 04:52 | ||
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| I agree with you. I think he does it for casual fan interest and because Phil happens to kind of look like Tiger. If I were him, it would be annoying to hear it all the time. Phil is a great player, probably top 3 in the world right now...I think it would do him more justice to say that about him than what they say now. | ||
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| yee gods! Go to RGP and search..., Easy E, 26. Jun 2003 07:19 | ||
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| you can see the whole uproar over Mike's earlier use of this label. | ||
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| Re: World Poker Tour (WPT) Comments, stdioh, 26. Jun 2003 07:36 | ||
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| I think it is a good label. The reason? People are stupid and need to be spoonfed this sort of thing. You can't say, "Look. A young black man who is good at poker! Everybody gather around and watch!" You have to be slightly more subtle than that, but subtlety is lost on the TV watching masses, so you say 15 times, "Tiger Woods of poker," and some dumbbunnies chuckle, "Oh, I've *GOT* to see this." | ||
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| Re: World Poker Tour (WPT) Comments, MozMan, 25. Jun 2003 22:57 | ||
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| Ok- This is partly because I don't trust TV (yet, I do trust online poker... hmm...) and mostly tongue in cheek: but does anyone else find it a little sensational and strange that on the final hand, the Russian guy draws a gut-shot straight on the turn, then the other guys draws a boat on the river? -Moz "Truly, you have a dizzying intellect." | ||
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| Re: World Poker Tour (WPT) Comments, gary ford, 25. Jun 2003 23:49 | ||
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| on 25. Jun 2003 22:57 MozMan wrote: > Ok- This is partly because I don't trust TV (yet, I do trust online poker... hmm...) > and mostly tongue in cheek: > > but does anyone else find it a little sensational and strange that on the final > hand, the Russian guy draws a gut-shot straight on the turn, then the other guys > draws a boat on the river? > > -Moz > > "Truly, you have a dizzying intellect." i dunno--did you see someone on the grassy knoll? | ||
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| Re: World Poker Tour (WPT) Comments, str82tko, 26. Jun 2003 07:04 | ||
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| Watching WPT is easy. Record it on TIVO so you can fast forward through 'everything' except the hands. But, then of course, I don't have anything to bitch about. Just can't win with this one. | ||
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| WPT IS A FIX, chasepoker, 26. Jun 2003 07:38 | ||
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| WORLD POKER TOUR IS A FIX WAIT FOR CNN TO BREAK THE STORY ALL THEY DO IS GET PEOPLE TO PUT MONEY INTO PLAYING A COMPETITION AND THEN WHO EVER WINS DOES NOT GET ALL THE MONEY IT IS A FIX LIKE THE WSOP SOME GUY WON THAT AND HAD ALL THE CHIPS AT THE END BUT THEY DID NOT GIVE HIM ALL THE MONEY IT IS A SCAM WAIT UNTIL ESPN BREAKS THE STORY YOURS NO GRAMMER, PUNCUTION OR IDEA OF WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT ( APOLOGIES IF SOMEONE HAS DONE THIS JOKE ALREADY) on 25. Jun 2003 22:57 MozMan wrote: > Ok- This is partly because I don't trust TV (yet, I do trust online poker... hmm...) > and mostly tongue in cheek: > > but does anyone else find it a little sensational and strange that on the final > hand, the Russian guy draws a gut-shot straight on the turn, then the other guys > draws a boat on the river? > > -Moz > > "Truly, you have a dizzying intellect." Chasepoker | ||
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| Re: WPT IS A FIX, Andrew Wells, 26. Jun 2003 08:38 | ||
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| Nominated for post of the week. | ||
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| Re: WPT IS A FIX, A-Train, 26. Jun 2003 08:55 | ||
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| Second.......motion carries | ||
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| Other comments on the WPT show are in other forum, Easy E, 26. Jun 2003 07:29 | ||
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| Not Quite Poker (if anyone is interested). Plus, the Unofficial WPT site by Andy Bloch has more... | ||
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| Re: World Poker Tour (WPT) Comments, stdioh, 26. Jun 2003 07:33 | ||
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| Well Ferguson did win the main event at the WSOP ... that makes him a credible name to shove in peoples' face on the show. | ||
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| Re: World Poker Tour (WPT) Comments, Bond18, 26. Jun 2003 12:11 | ||
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| If you ask me Phil Ivey really is the Tiger Woods of poker. While we didn't see him win any tournys on the WPT he has won several and he really does look like tiger. Ivey is one of my favorite players because of his aggressive style but ability to change up his play at the perfect moments, though i think he needs to ask doyle about advice with AQ. And Fergueson well he just looks like the kinda guy you want at a poker tournament, what a character. | ||
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| Phil Ivey is no Tiger Woods, Risky Business, 26. Jun 2003 13:06 | ||
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| This talk is wearing me down. Find something else to say about the guy. Some literary moron made the mistake of saying he looked like Tiger Woods one time, and all of a sudden, he's a hero because that's the only way we think of Tiger. Starry eyed and in awe. Phil Ivey isn't even in the same league as Tiger Woods. Sure, he seems like a nice guy, and I'm glad we have 4-P to confirm that, but as far as his game goes, I don't think it's unfair to say he's the Phil Mickelson of the tour, the dog everyone roots for to win the big one, and there is no Tiger Woods (if Hellmuth's not it...though their timeline doesn't mesh like Phil and Tiger's) Ivey wasn't a phenom that all the pros knew about when he was 12. He didn't strike fear in the hearts of everyone at the table when he played his first tournament. He isn't the youngest WSOP champ in history. He didn't single handedly dismantle any and all competition in his first few years on tour. He didn't shatter numerous seemingly unacheivable records in his first years as a pro. He hasn't won the big one!!! I don't keep up with this, but how many top level tournaments has he won? I'm not talking prelims, I'm talking tournaments comparable to a major, like last nights tourney, or the WSOP? He is a top player, fine, but give Tiger Woods credit for what he has achieved. I don't even like Tiger, but he's dominant in a way that Ivey can't begin to approach without dominating poker for the next 5 years, at a minimum. It's a tag for reporters, authors, and tv hosts to use as to help viewers identify with a particular player........though I submit it has nothing to do with his stature in the game. | ||
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| Re: Phil Ivey is no Tiger Woods, mroban, 26. Jun 2003 13:13 | ||
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| I hate to say this but I found the reference of Ivey to Woods to be offensive. I mean, the only justification for saying that is that he is black and looks vaguely like Tiger. Am I the only one that found that to be a bit offensive? I am not a real PC guy believe me. But I had the same reaction that you did - if you are going to call someone the Tiger Woods (or the Babe Ruth, or the Wayne Gretzky or the Michael Jordan) of his sport its because he dominates. Tiger (like the Bambino, Gretzky and Jordan) transformed the ability of his sport to market to the general public as a result of both championship performance and charisma. If you make that comparison it better be for that reason. I am not sure but I would suspect Phil does not like the reference (although there are worse things you can call someone). | ||
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| Re: Phil Ivey is no Tiger Woods, stdioh, 26. Jun 2003 14:31 | ||
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| > I hate to say this but I found the reference of Ivey to Woods to be offensive. I mean, the only > justification for saying that is that he is black and looks vaguely like Tiger. Am I the only one > that found that to be a bit offensive? It isn't offensive. For the love of Pete, he himself claimed to be Tiger Woods. The celebrity tournament when he showed up, he was asked, "Are you a poker player or a celebrity," when signing in. He replied, "I'm a celebrity." "Who are you?" "Tiger Woods." So no, you can't be offended if people call him that. Call him really ignorant names, and somebody *might* have the right to get offended, but comparing him to another successful person isn't derogatory and it isn't offensive. I wish somebody would call me to tiger woods of poker. And do you think it would bad if somebody called him the Michael Jordan of poker? Or is it just because golfers and poker player are mostly not black? The Jarome Iginla of poker? Now if somebody had called him the Jackie Robinson of poker, maybe you could be offended then, but damn hell, there's never been a black man at the WSOP final table and if he got there (and he bubbled this time) he would be the first black man to get there, so why not Jackie Robinson? Yes. Phil Ivey is black and he has done better in poker than any other black man ever has. Tiger Woods has done better in golf than any other black man ever has. Both endeavours are sparse with negros. I don't think it is a bad comparison at all. | ||
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| Re: Phil Ivey is no Tiger Woods, Risky Business, 26. Jun 2003 14:42 | ||
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| I am personally not at issue with the ethnicity discussion. He's not the first black anything yet. If someone were to say that it will be great when he makes the final table, that he'll be a pioneer for black poker players to follow......you might want to steer clear of Paul Darden, though I won't pretend to know his skills in comparison to Ivey's. No commentator has ever mentioned ethnicity or race when describing Ivey, they always point to his skill when barking out "The Tiger Woods of Poker". Just once I'd like to hear Mike Sexton interject with "...due to the uncanny resemblance...." and then cut to Vince VP gazing into a mirror at his hair. on 26. Jun 2003 14:31 stdioh wrote: > > I hate to say this but I found the reference of Ivey to Woods to be offensive. I mean, the only > > justification for saying that is that he is black and looks vaguely like Tiger. Am I the only one > > that found that to be a bit offensive? > > It isn't offensive. For the love of Pete, he himself claimed to be Tiger Woods. The celebrity tournament > when he showed up, he was asked, "Are you a poker player or a celebrity," when signing in. He replied, > "I'm a celebrity." "Who are you?" "Tiger Woods." > > So no, you can't be offended if people call him that. Call him really ignorant names, and somebody > *might* have the right to get offended, but comparing him to another successful person isn't derogatory > and it isn't offensive. I wish somebody would call me to tiger woods of poker. And do you think it would > bad if somebody called him the Michael Jordan of poker? Or is it just because golfers and poker player > are mostly not black? The Jarome Iginla of poker? > > Now if somebody had called him the Jackie Robinson of poker, maybe you could be offended then, but damn > hell, there's never been a black man at the WSOP final table and if he got there (and he bubbled this > time) he would be the first black man to get there, so why not Jackie Robinson? > > Yes. Phil Ivey is black and he has done better in poker than any other black man ever has. Tiger Woods > has done better in golf than any other black man ever has. Both endeavours are sparse with negros. I > don't think it is a bad comparison at all. | ||
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| Re: Phil Ivey is no Tiger Woods, mongi, 26. Jun 2003 14:11 | ||
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| I think that the WPT description of Phil Ivey is simply their way of giving those people who are not familiar with him an understanding of where he fits into this game. There are many people tuning in for the first time and I think this is a pretty good analogy. I do believe that they overglamorize some of these players. I wish the WPT would do like the PGA and show names of top players who went out early in the tournament. If I had the money or financial backing to play in all of these tournaments and be able to learn from and about these top level players week in and week out I guarantee you would see me at the final table once in a while to. I am not jealous of these guys, I am envious they have that type of opportunity. I have had the opportunity to watch and play against several of these players and realize that there is no doubt they have skill and plenty of experience, but they in no way scare me. I wouldn't want an Eric Seidel, Layne Flack, or Phil Ivey sitting to the left of me, however, that would not be fun. | ||
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| Re: Phil Ivey is no Tiger Woods, Risky Business, 26. Jun 2003 14:21 | ||
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| Your statement: "simply their way of giving those people who are not familiar with him an understanding of where he fits into this game." This is exactly the statement I'm challenging. What has Phil Ivey done as a professional poker player to make you think he "fits" the Tiger Woods mold, for lack of a better term? In NFL meltdown expert Jim Mora's words......."diddly poo" He's scared a few people with seemingly amazing plays, and won a few tournaments. More people have won more tournaments, with greater authority...........as Tiger does it. on 26. Jun 2003 14:11 mongi wrote: > I think that the WPT description of Phil Ivey is simply their way of giving those people who are not > familiar with him an understanding of where he fits into this game. There are many people tuning in > for the first time and I think this is a pretty good analogy. > > I do believe that they overglamorize some of these players. I wish the WPT would do like the PGA > and show names of top players who went out early in the tournament. If I had the money or financial > backing to play in all of these tournaments and be able to learn from and about these top level > players week in and week out I guarantee you would see me at the final table once in a while to. I > am not jealous of these guys, I am envious they have that type of opportunity. > > I have had the opportunity to watch and play against several of these players and realize that > there is no doubt they have skill and plenty of experience, but they in no way scare me. I wouldn't > want an Eric Seidel, Layne Flack, or Phil Ivey sitting to the left of me, however, that would not be > fun. > > | ||
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