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 Advise about NL tournaments, noiseboy, 23. Jun 2003 09:21 | ||
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| Hi there everyone. I just played my first big NL tourney, and placed 27th out of 160. My question is of a very general nature. Going into the top 40 or so, I was a medium stack and running pretty good. Then the hands just stopped coming, completely. To make matters worse, the table was extremely aggressive, so usually pots were already raised by the time it would get to me, so I didn't really have many steal opportunities. Also, I was getting complete garbage in the blinds, so I couldn't really defend them very well. Is there any surviving a badly timed cold streak? How do I do it? Do I just jump in there without anything and try to steal a pot? There was one time when I was three away from the button and it was folded to me and I had A5o, where I thought about stealing, but the two blinds were enourmous stacks and would probably have called me with anything reasonable to knock me out, plus there were still enough players behind me that there was a chance that someone had a real hand. | ||
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| Re: Advise about NL tournaments, noiseboy, 23. Jun 2003 09:24 | ||
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| Thanks again everyone for all the free advice. Also, other than Super System and Championship PL and NL Hold'em, where else can I get really good No Limit information? | ||
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| Re: Advise about NL tournaments, chasepoker, 23. Jun 2003 09:24 | ||
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| I would just rough it out and wait for a time where you can either steal or for a chance to double up, it is a balance between chip size and starting hands as you have less chips you are more inclined to stick it all in with less. Betting with a poor hand into people who are going to call you is a recipe for disaster in my opinion. Chasepoker | ||
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| Re: Advise about NL tournaments, shorn, 23. Jun 2003 09:37 | ||
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| Unfortunately, this is the reason that tournaments can be such a crapshoot because you never know when a bad run or a good run of cards will come your way. Unless you are a big stack, you can't afford to wait them out like you can in a ring game. Now, I am not suggesting that you go crazy and start entering pots with complet garbage, but once you get down to about a 10 BB stack (of the current limit if there is a good amount of time left in that limit or of the next limit if you are close to moving to it), you have got to start being more aggressive with the hands you play or doubling up will not mean as much anymore. Sometimes that's the breaks in terms of when the streak happens and there isn't a darn thing you can do about it. | ||
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| Re: Advise about NL tournaments, stdioh, 23. Jun 2003 09:38 | ||
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| Sorry, but you're cooked. When the blinds are eating you alive and you're getting total garbage, all you can do is get whittled down, possibly try making a move against limpers, and when you get small enough push all in to try and coinflip yourself a stack. | ||
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| Re: Advise about NL tournaments, Andrew Wells, 23. Jun 2003 09:49 | ||
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| You just have to hope you either get a quality hand, or a decent situation to steal raise. When you're down to one pot or out (you know what ever you decide to play it's going to get all-in), if you're not sure it's a good decision then it probably isn't. I try to get any steal move in there before it's obvoius that I can't get past the next set of blinds without winning a pot. That way you have a somewhat better chance of taking the blinds uncontested (regardless of their stack size). Unfortunately if you have to wait too long, then it becomes too apparent that you are desparate. That's when you get the automatic call. I would push all-in with your A5o hand in that spot if I could just survive one more time through my blinds, rather than wait for something better. If my stack could cover twice through the blinds, then I might wait and not attack big stack blinds here. | ||
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| Re: Advise about NL tournaments, Mark, 23. Jun 2003 10:26 | ||
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| Like Andrew said, you have to make a move before its too late. Some hands I might re-raise 1/2 my stack to all-in with are hands like A.) any ace B.) any low pair C.) suited connectors ( the higher the better) I would wait to re-raise a possible steal attempt or someone who has been very aggressive lately. On the flip side of this situation, if I was the big stack, i would be playing most pots and re-raising alot, espically the tight short stacks. Keep that in mind when looking for a place to make your stand. Many large stacks become very aggressive (and rightly so), and play very marginal hands. mark | ||
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| Re: Advise about NL tournaments, JLenart, 23. Jun 2003 12:49 | ||
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| Heres a link to an interesting article I just read on a similar topic It doesn't answer your question exactly but its close at least. http://www.pokerpages.com/articles/archives/samuel20.htm | ||
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| Re: Advise about NL tournaments, noiseboy, 23. Jun 2003 14:35 | ||
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| Thanks. It seems an interesting article. | ||
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