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 Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, Easy E, 23. Jun 2003 08:20 | ||
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| I'd like to get the ball rolling on a big list that I can send to the WPT for next season's shows. I'm sure I'll have more ideas myself after the WPT Championship and the 2003 WSOP on ESPN in July, but here's what I have so far off of the top of my head: Suggestions for next season (not all mine, but ones I remember that I liked): Assuming 2 announcers, each should take a position/style and "stick" with it during the year. Debate hands based on your style, let the other announcer (with his/her style) offer alternate reasons/attack your reasoning. Guest announcers, with different known styles, would be another way to do this. DEFINATELY have a woman as one of them! Hand number is a must, clock would be nice. Short review of the action that occurs off-camera would be good, so we know how players got their current stacks. Show stacks more often. Do your Poker Primer show before, or after, the first WPT next year. Play that show as often as necessary during 03-04, so that you can cut out the primers at the beginning of each tournament show. A stringent review of the productions for errors, ill-advised comments and other problems, must be done before the shows are canned..... or I will send a swarm of killer locusts to the WPT studios. For the puff pieces, make sure to give some info about the casino and location, as if you're a tour guide intro'ing potential clients (unless that would smack too much of unpaid advertising) Try the following for tournament formats (or possibly, a non-tournament show?) - Omaha and Omaha 8 - Stud and Stud 8 (stud, especially, should be familiar to many people from home games.... I assume) - Pot-limit - Mixed format games (HORSE, etc) Feel free to add your comments- I'll consolidate and send them to the WPT site from the group in mid-July. | ||
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| Re: Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, shorn, 23. Jun 2003 08:23 | ||
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| My comment is to not ever piss you off. I hate locusts.... | ||
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| Re: Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, beigs, 23. Jun 2003 08:37 | ||
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| Yeah... tell them to hire a decent sound guy and then have me do the final mix. I swear. The WPT is one of the worst sounding shows I've ever heard. It's probably just me, but I can hear almost every edit in the announcers dialogue. It's really aggravating for me... being a sound guy and all. beigs | ||
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| Re: Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, JLenart, 23. Jun 2003 09:02 | ||
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| Easy, Nice post. As an Emmy award winning television producerI have some strong feeling about the production of the WPT as well. I love your idea of have two hosts who's style of play varies and have them dicuss play based on their styles. I also like the idea of a woman anchor as well. However finding these anchors may prove a bit tough for the following reasons. 1) Anchoring the show means the inability to play in these tourneys. 2) Finding a player who is willing to forgo these events as well as one who has the ability to dynamically host a show like this will be hard as well. Graphics need some work. stylistically they are fine but i totally agree with hand number graphics as well. This shows the inexperienced viewer that these hands are not played back to back. A segment before the start of play about how each player got to the final table would be great. Obviously at the start of each event no one knows who will make it or when the critical hands will be played so total coverage would be unrealistic. But a few interviews and some background how things shaped up previous to the final table would be great. Also, since so much of the show is created in post (editing) wouldn't it be great to hear palyers talk about what they were thinking at given pojnts during play. This could be created by a few sinple post game interviews and cut into the show later. If prouced correctly players could talk in present tense e.g. "I put him on pocket 10's or less". Also, more Shauna in bathing suits...lol. Anyway just a few thoughts. John | ||
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| Re: Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, MozMan, 23. Jun 2003 09:10 | ||
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| >>>1) Anchoring the show means the inability to play in these tourneys. <<< Not necessarily... I remember on at least one of the show, one of the archors talked about how and when he himself busted out of the tournament; and what it was like plying with the guys at the final table. I think adding a third anchor provides the ability to have all three play, and if one makes it to the final table, you still have two on the show. -Moz "Truly, you have a dizzying intellect." | ||
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| Re: Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, JLenart, 23. Jun 2003 09:13 | ||
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| OK I can see that. Maybe the show should be looked at like a sporting event. Have one play by play type of annoncer and another color commentator. PLEASE don't tell me poker is a sport! It's a game NOT a sport. Having a 3rd announcer like Monday night football might be cool. That way one person can talk about their apporach to a given hand, another could talk about their ideas (countering the first host) and the third could mediate. | ||
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| Re: Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, gary ford, 23. Jun 2003 11:06 | ||
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| on 23. Jun 2003 09:02 JLenart wrote: > Easy, > > Nice post. As an Emmy award winning television producerI have some strong feeling > about the production of the WPT as well. > > I love your idea of have two hosts who's style of play varies and have them dicuss > play based on their styles. I also like the idea of a woman anchor as well. However > finding these anchors may prove a bit tough for the following reasons. > > 1) Anchoring the show means the inability to play in these tourneys. > 2) Finding a player who is willing to forgo these events as well as one who has the > ability to dynamically host a show like this will be hard as well. > > Graphics need some work. stylistically they are fine but i totally agree with hand > number graphics as well. This shows the inexperienced viewer that these hands are > not played back to back. > > A segment before the start of play about how each player got to the final table > would be great. Obviously at the start of each event no one knows who will make it or > when the critical hands will be played so total coverage would be unrealistic. But a > few interviews and some background how things shaped up previous to the final table > would be great. > > Also, since so much of the show is created in post (editing) wouldn't it be great to > hear palyers talk about what they were thinking at given pojnts during play. This > could be created by a few sinple post game interviews and cut into the show later. > If prouced correctly players could talk in present tense e.g. "I put him on pocket > 10's or less". > > Also, more Shauna in bathing suits...lol. > > Anyway just a few thoughts. > > John > Sex sells---I ve watched every show includng last nights primer and road to the championships and have some suggestions/ideas. i have done a little live TV ( the most memorable a bowling show with the late Chick Hean ) and really would like to see a format created to do one show live. I know late night poker in the U.K. is live but i dont know if it is just heads up in a format that is time-managable. Lou Diamond Phillips was 10 times better than Van Patten. i also think with Hollywoods copy-cat syndrome, now is the time to expand Tv and movie exposure to the game of poker. At last weeks Cinevegas film festival there were 2 poker movies--The very finely done " Stuey " with an incredible performance by Michael Imperioli and the dreadful " Shade " with Gabriel Byrnes worst performance in history, Silvester Stallone as Silvester Stallone and Melanie Griffith with the baby voice but no low-cut necklines. The Poker convention and seminars are in July here in Las Vegas so sending compliments and support as well as suggestions would be very timely. Bear in mind this is a TV show not a poker tournament, entertain first and not turn this into a colletion of formats that most people wont understand. Great idea to send our input but keep it simple and positive. Gary P.S. There may be room for a 2nd show, John--done by an Emmy-Award winning producer. I know ABC is desperate and reality is the flavor of the moment > | ||
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| Re: Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, MozMan, 23. Jun 2003 09:07 | ||
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| Easy- I too would like to see a female pro as an analyst. I think tha twomen view the game differently, and I think I would learn more from hearing a woman's analysis of play than I do from the two guys they have now. I'd also like to either hear the players better, or not hear them at all. I get kinda frustrated when I can hear that they are saying something, but can't quite make it out. I would also like to see some new locations. I don't know what their plans are, but I think adding a new casino (perhaps one in Arizona?) each season (or, more accurately, swapping out casinos) for cariety would be nice. -Moz "Truly, you have a dizzying intellect." | ||
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| Re: Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, Big_Slick, 23. Jun 2003 09:08 | ||
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| Try the following for tournament formats (or possibly, a non-tournament show?) - Omaha and Omaha 8 - Stud and Stud 8 (stud, especially, should be familiar to many people from home games.... I assume) - Pot-limit - Mixed format games (HORSE, etc) Only hardcore poker players are going to know the rules and understand how most of these games are played. Moreover, your average travel Channel viewer would find these games boring. NLHE is what the public is fascinated with... that is where the ratings are. | ||
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| Re: Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, PokerDude, 23. Jun 2003 10:23 | ||
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| ppl would love to watch a bounty tournament with celebrities, I would think. | ||
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| Re: Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, PokerDude, 23. Jun 2003 10:18 | ||
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| an overhead cam would be nice at times with chip amounts and hands shown next to them. I would like to see something lettin' us know how much the chips are worth every now and then. have Jim Rome and Dennis Miller do the play by play..... lol maybe a streamer at the bottom even if occasionally (after breaks, or after they skip a bunch of hands) that updates how many chips everyone has, etc etc. | ||
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| Re: Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, Guru, 23. Jun 2003 10:38 | ||
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| Not trying to be mean to anyone, but Mike Sexton and Van Dike are just not announcers. I'm sure that each is a quality player, but they are a problem for the announcing aspect. It would be possible to improve the show by bringing in people that have more experience with announcing or have more natural personality and still know poker well. | ||
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| Re: Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, PokerDude, 23. Jun 2003 10:45 | ||
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| i agree with you 100% percent, plus, it must be in there mindset, that they will be announcing, so it probably doesn't do their game any good. | ||
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| Re: Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, TKarrde, 23. Jun 2003 10:58 | ||
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| I cringe everytime I see Mike Sexton's Party Poker commercial. The guy just has no peronality. TKarrde "You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never to get involved in a land war in Asia. And only slightly less well known is this: never go in against a Sicilian (Mozman) when death is on the line!" | ||
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| Re: Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, Easy E, 23. Jun 2003 11:54 | ||
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| Wow! I have a LOT of consolidating to do, if this volume continues... some great suggestions! TK, the one that scares ME the most is the "My nephew told me that I could become addicted to online poker" one with the grandmother... the way the gov't is going after online, that CAN'T help.... | ||
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| Re: Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, gary ford, 25. Jun 2003 12:10 | ||
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| on 23. Jun 2003 11:54 Easy E wrote: > Wow! I have a LOT of consolidating to do, if this volume continues... some great > suggestions! > > TK, the one that scares ME the most is the "My nephew told me that I could become addicted > to online poker" one with the grandmother... the way the gov't is going after online, that > CAN'T help.... Easy--you have taken on quite a task but a very worthwhile one. I don't know how many posters are going to the World Poker Conference here in Las Vegas in July but this would be a good time to circulate our suggestions. Also , faxing this to Mike, Roy, and Card Player magazine might be a good idea also. Consolidating the remarks into practical, positive suggestions should be well received. " The Golden Age of Poker " --that has a great sound. | ||
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| Re: Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, PokerDude, 23. Jun 2003 12:20 | ||
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| The dude plain ol' scares me with that buggy eye thing he does. is it sexton's kid? lol | ||
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| Re: Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, TKarrde, 23. Jun 2003 14:25 | ||
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| Scary?? X22 practically had my wife freaked out. TKarrde "You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never to get involved in a land war in Asia. And only slightly less well known is this: never go in against a Sicilian (Mozman) when death is on the line!" | ||
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| Re: Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, DJpoker, 23. Jun 2003 13:56 | ||
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| I would like to see the first 15-30 minutes showing the last few tables as well. It gives you a better idea of what guys went through to get there and lets us know a little more about their style. Then they could bring in the finalists to the final table live and go from there. Also, why place a time limit on the show. I believe the Heidi incident changed the sports world forever. I know it is the travel channel and they need to fit things into their schedule but not knowing that the winning hand will be played at 4 mnutes before the hour will create more drama. Also, I don't give a rat's arse how much money that Eight is Enough reject lost at any casino. Show me the hottie bouncing around town in those skimpy outfits. on 23. Jun 2003 08:20 Easy E wrote: > I'd like to get the ball rolling on a big list that I can send to the WPT for > next season's shows. > > I'm sure I'll have more ideas myself after the WPT Championship and the 2003 > WSOP on ESPN in July, but here's what I have so far off of the top of my head: > > Suggestions for next season (not all mine, but ones I remember that I liked): > > Assuming 2 announcers, each should take a position/style and "stick" with it > during the year. Debate hands based on your style, let the other announcer (with > his/her style) offer alternate reasons/attack your reasoning. > Guest announcers, with different known styles, would be another way to do this. > DEFINATELY have a woman as one of them! > > Hand number is a must, clock would be nice. Short review of the action that > occurs off-camera would be good, so we know how players got their current > stacks. Show stacks more often. > > Do your Poker Primer show before, or after, the first WPT next year. Play that > show as often as necessary during 03-04, so that you can cut out the primers at > the beginning of each tournament show. > > A stringent review of the productions for errors, ill-advised comments and > other problems, must be done before the shows are canned..... or I will send a > swarm of killer locusts to the WPT studios. > > For the puff pieces, make sure to give some info about the casino and location, > as if you're a tour guide intro'ing potential clients (unless that would smack > too much of unpaid advertising) > > Try the following for tournament formats (or possibly, a non-tournament > show?) > - Omaha and Omaha 8 > - Stud and Stud 8 (stud, especially, should be familiar to many people from > home games.... I assume) > - Pot-limit > - Mixed format games (HORSE, etc) > > > Feel free to add your comments- I'll consolidate and send them to the WPT site > from the group in mid-July. | ||
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| Re: Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, Nathaniel Brous, 23. Jun 2003 18:51 | ||
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| Good suggestions. A so far unmentioned pet peeve that I have with the show is the "win" graphic. It was not a bad idea, but needs to be supplemented with a "profit" graphic beside it. People unfamiliar with poker see someone make a successful steal attempt. It appears that the player "Wins" a certain amount, when it is often the case he simply picked up the blinds. If VVP continues with the WPT, I hope that his commentary is edited better. In addition to that he needs to pick up a thesauras. (Really really interesting hand. Interesting hand. Real interesting hand. etc.) Actually the only positive thing I can say about his performance is that he is enthusiastic about and appears to enjoy poker. Easy E. I have to agree and mention once again about a ZERO tolerance for mistakes. It is simply inexcusable to send out misinformation, when this golden age of poker has begun. - Nathaniel Brous | ||
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| Re: Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, mroban, 24. Jun 2003 07:55 | ||
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| Seems like we have a lot of entertainment people here. Well, I am in the film business, not the tv business, but I offer my following opinions: 1. Vince is awful. I actually know him and feel bad saying it, but the dude is just an awful announcer. Clearly they can do better. 2. There is too much filler material. The editing reminds me an episode of E True Hollywood story. Very cheesy. Like others before have said, at least edit it to feel like a real sporting event. 3. Have a guest analyst that didn't make the final table. Annie Duke, Phil Hellmuth, people like that are great to listen too and would probably add much more insight to the action. 4. Sexton knows his stuff but is also painful to listen to. 5. And yes, much more Shauna!! But hey, I still watch the shows religiously. But thank goodness for my TiVo to get through the nonsense. Just my opinion, I could be wrong. | ||
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| Re: Suggestions for WPT- starting a list, SmellsLikeVictory, 24. Jun 2003 10:07 | ||
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| I kinda disagree with getting rid of the "primer" part at the beginning. They have to draw casual, non-playing viewers to watch, and those viewers are unlikely to watch a whole hour primer show. It's a necessary bit of pain to get these viewers to understand the game. Of course, I Tivo all the episodes and FF through it all so it doesn't bother me. I agree VVP should go. The "Hollywood home game pro" makes me cringe. Sexton isn't going anywhere. Not sure how two "color commentators" with differing styles would work out. Certainly a "play-by-play" guy who wasn't such an idiot would be Ok with me. A hand count and clock would also be very helpful. A recap of action unseen would be nice, too, but could take time away from more action. Forget about Omaha, that game will go right over the casual fan's head. HORSE would require half the show to be a "primer piece". Stud would be understandable to most players, but the show's popularity stems from the popularity of HE in general and no-limit specifically. They've already done limit and pot-limit should certainly be included as a change of pace (BTW, how many major HE tourneys are PL anyways). But I don't see them showing a new game, as much as I, as serious poker player, would like it. | ||
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