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 Name that hand?, Snorbolus, 21. Jun 2003 23:18 | ||
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| I didn't contest this pot (folded my small blind before the flop), but I thought that it was an interesting $4-8 hold'em hand: Pre-flop: UTG fold. UTG+1 (not a bad player, mostly tight and aggressive) raises, fold to the cut off (very loose, quite passive) who cold calls, fold to the big blind (a bit loose, pays off too much on the river), who calls. Flop: Kd 10d 8c Big blind checks. UTG+1 bets. Cut off calls. Big blind raises, both others call. Turn: Kc Big blind bets. UTG+1 raises. Cut off cold calls. Big blind calls. River: Js Big blind bets. UTG+1 calls. Cut off raises. Big blind re-raises. UTG+1 thinks for a while then calls. Cut off raises again. Big blind calls. UTG+1 calls. I am interested to see what hands you put these players on; also when (and if) you think they made mistakes. Results to follow (if anyone shows interest). Snorbolus | ||
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| Re: Name that hand?, Guru, 22. Jun 2003 09:25 | ||
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| I'm probably way off, but I'll take a guess, just for fun. BB has Kx UTG+1 has pocket pair, probably rockets Cutoff has Q9 Guru | ||
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| Re: Name that hand?, Kid, 22. Jun 2003 11:02 | ||
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| This sounds like fun, so here goes. You didn't say any of them were aggressive other than the solid player, so based on that, I have to give them all credit for big hands. Solid: AK I think you have to put the solid player on AK given the way he played the hand, I think this is about all he could have had. I wouldn't put him on AA because he might have 3 bet the flop, and he wouldn't have raised the turn, I would guess. I think this is the easiest read. Cutoff: JJ, Q9, AQ (I'll say JJ) I would have to put him on a hand that the river helped. He could have slowplayed a set until the river, but since you didn't mention that, I'll assume he isn't a chronic slow player. So the river brought him some serious help. I would guess the straight or the full house. I wouldn't put him on KJ due to the way he played the turn. Since he is a calling station I would have to put him on JJ due to the way he played the river. Passive players don't cap pots unless they have monsters. BB: 88 or TT I think this is the toughest person to put on a hand. He check-raised the flop into a pre-flop raiser, so that usually means top pair big kicker or better. He just called when raised on the turn, so he probably is scared of the king pairing, or he is already full and waiting to spring the trap. Since he gave so much action on the river. I have to put him on a big hand. You said he was loose, but you didn't say he was a maniac. He may have a weaker hand, but I can't see him playing anything here but the full house since he was so aggressive on the river. I have to put him on 88 or TT and he slowplayed the turn. | ||
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| Re: Name that hand?, fourstar2000, 23. Jun 2003 11:06 | ||
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| I'm sure this will be way off, but I figured I'd take a stab at it too. UTG+1: gotta be AK, right? tight and aggressive player would raise pre-flop, bet the K on the flop but just call a check-raise, would raise on the turn K, and make crying calls on the river when chaos breaks out. I have to believe he finished 3rd in this hand. Cut-off: might be reaching with this one, but I'm going to guess 97s. Its a hand a loose player might play in late position and at every point during this hand it seems this player is on a draw. Cold calls on flop, cold calls on turn, hammers away when the J hits the river. 97s would have produced open-ender which a loose player might have chased. I'd have a hard time believing Q9 or AQ though. A gutshot would be too crazy to chase. The action on the turn might have made the cutoff believe a straight could win (AK gives UTG+1 only trips at that point, and BB backed off to UTG+1's raise). Could be JJ or KJ, but with either of those, he has to know he's behind and is just fishing for a river J. 97s has the most outs of the possible hands he could be playing. Capping the river seems a bit much though. I think he's the runner-up this hand. BB: another reach as I'll say K-10. 10-10 and 8-8 make complete sense too, but this would be cooler if he had something less exotic in the big blind. You mentioned he was a bit loose, so I'm thinking he had a decent but not great starting hand. K-10 fits the bill more than 10-10 or 8-8 (I guess K-8 could work as well). Flops top two pair which would merit the check-raise. Bets out on the turn but realizes UTG+1 has the other K, so slowplays his boat a bit. Don't know why he bets out on the river (if he had the boat on the turn and slowplayed, which it seems, why not check-raise the river?), but he keeps hammering away when the cutoff keeps raising. He ends up capping the river anyway, but only because the cutoff caught something. Boat takes down the pot. Hope I got at least 1out of 3! | ||
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| Re: Name that hand?, shorn, 23. Jun 2003 11:18 | ||
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| BB: Kx or KT UTG+1: AK Cutoff: AQd or JJ | ||
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| Re: Name that hand?, Snorbolus, 23. Jun 2003 12:01 | ||
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| Nice reads people. UTG+1 did indeed have AK, cut off won the hand with JJ (for the boat) and the player in the big blind had the other king, he didn't say what his second card was. You all read the cut off better than me. I was very surprised to see JJ at showdown. I was expecting a straight. I was also surprised that the player in the BB re-raised the river without kings full. The play that I wonder most about though is UTG+1 calling the two raises on the river, especially with the chance of another raise behind. Should he have folded here? I suspect that he should have but I doubt that I would have done either; at least not before seeing that hand played out. Could you have laid down in that spot? Should you? Snorbolus on 21. Jun 2003 23:18 Snorbolus wrote: > I didn't contest this pot (folded my small blind before the flop), but I thought > that it was an interesting $4-8 hold'em hand: > > Pre-flop: > UTG fold. UTG+1 (not a bad player, mostly tight and aggressive) raises, fold to > the cut off (very loose, quite passive) who cold calls, fold to the big blind (a > bit loose, pays off too much on the river), who calls. > > Flop: Kd 10d 8c > > Big blind checks. UTG+1 bets. Cut off calls. Big blind raises, both others > call. > > Turn: Kc > > Big blind bets. UTG+1 raises. Cut off cold calls. Big blind calls. > > River: Js > > Big blind bets. UTG+1 calls. Cut off raises. Big blind re-raises. UTG+1 thinks > for a while then calls. Cut off raises again. Big blind calls. UTG+1 calls. > > I am interested to see what hands you put these players on; also when (and if) > you think they made mistakes. Results to follow (if anyone shows interest). > > Snorbolus | ||
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| Re: Name that hand?, TKarrde, 23. Jun 2003 12:16 | ||
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| Wow! This was neat. I want to see more of these. I had UTG+1 correct with AK. But like Snorb had the cutoff with AQ for the straight. I had the big blind with Kx (big one) but I at least had him on the King. Now I need to ask a stupid question... I have seen the term "Cutoff" before and am not quite sure what it means. I think it is the last middle position player. I'm guess that would be #8 on a 10 player table. Someone please set me straight. Thanks, TKarrde "You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never to get involved in a land war in Asia. And only slightly less well known is this: never go in against a Sicilian (Mozman) when death is on the line!" | ||
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