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 Tourney Help and Hand, mkpoker, 21. Jun 2003 16:55 | ||
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| Thanks to all for the encouragement. Today, I played my first sit 'n' go no limit tourneys ($10) at pokerstars. Played twice, finished 14th (of 18) in the first, and 2nd(!) in the second. I'd love some advice on a few situations I faced. 1. With 6 left at the table, blinds 50/100, I was middle-stacked with about 1,700 and was dealt AA. I was in middle position. Two callers to me, I raised to 200 (more, I thought, would drive everyone out). Three callers, but no raisers. Flop came J, 5, Q. Two checks to me, and I went all in (thinking, maybe someone who drew top pair would call). I got called, opponent turned over QJ, and I was gone. Was this just bad luck, or do you think I got greedy? Should I have raised more pre-flop? 2. About 6 hands into heads-up play at the end of the second tourney, I was dealt KhJh in the SB. We hadn't had any hands of significance to this point. I was down 3-1 in chips, so figured I needed to get aggressive sooner or later. I raised 600, he reraised 600 and I went all in. He called and turned over AJ. A jack came on the board, but of course, that helped us equally. Do you think I played this too aggressively? Maybe I should have just called to see a flop? Thoughts? All in all, I think my first tourney experience went well, but I've still got a lot of learnin' to do. I'd very much value your thoughts on these hands. thanks. | ||
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| Re: Tourney Help and Hand, Big_Slick, 21. Jun 2003 18:06 | ||
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| I raised to 200 (more, I thought, would drive everyone out) As you become a more experienced player, you will learn that it is better to drive everyone out with your Aces and win the blinds then to lure people in and lose to a lucky draw on the flop. Was this just bad luck? I find that one of the most abused plays in NLHE is the all-in move. You can't allow 3 people to get their hands in the cookie jar and then go all-in. At this point in the hand, you are at a disadvantage agianst that many people. Either go all-in pre-flop or see a flop with some players. You got out-played here and paid the price. With 2 face cards on the board, you should have been more careful. You have 3 people who called your raise... you have to figure that they are playing decent hands and the flop is going to help at least one of them in some fashion. You didn't mention the suits on the flop but if there is a 2-suit, you are susceptible to a flush. With a J-Q, anyone with 10-K or 9-10 is playing a straight draw. Trips are more rare but always a possibility. If the flop came a bit less coordinated, say without a second face card, you could assume with a reasonable amount of confidence that you currently have the best hand. However, going all-in with 3 people left in the game after it gets checked to you is a rookie mistake. There are too many unknowns out there and people are always looking to set a trap. It is very common in poker for everyone at the table to check around to the pre-flop raiser. It happens more times than not. They do so for three reasons... 1) The flop missed them badly and they are weak. 2) They might have a drawing hand like a flush or a straight, but don't want to get raised, so they check to the raiser expecting to follow his lead. 3) The flop fit them like a glove and they are setting a trap. Equally predictable is that the raiser is going to bet the flop and more experienced player know this and use it to their advantage. I liked the aggressive play in the second hand. K-J is a strong hand when you are head-to-head. Hope this helps a little. Keep playing! | ||
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| Re: Tourney Help and Hand, Schuster, 21. Jun 2003 21:15 | ||
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| Comments are following each piece. > 1. With 6 left at the table, blinds 50/100, I was middle-stacked with about > 1,700 and was dealt AA. I was in middle position. Two callers to me, I raised > to 200 (more, I thought, would drive everyone out). That is what you want. Aces don't come often, and when you get them late in a tournament, you don't want to play them against 3 opponents. You're a big favorite over each individual, but when you move all in on the flop, you're only going to get called if you were beaten. On top of that, the pot was only 850 if I'm reading you right. It is rarely correct to make an opening bet that much larger than the pot, especially when you are a middle stack near the money, and it is for all your chips. It would depend on the stacks of the rest of the table, but I would make it around 650 to go here, if not a bit more. You want your money in before the flop, and if you're middle stacked, picking up 350 is not a bad outcome. The only hands that will call 650 are other very premium hands, nearly all of which you have badly dominated. Too many players go broke with aces when the flop comes because they didn't want to chase players out. If you insist on playing them slow, then just limp, and hope for a limp reraise. Otherwise, tread lightly, and realize that your aces are not nearly as good after the flop if you get played with. Your opponents don't want to play a pot for a third of their stack, and you shouldn't want to play one for your whole stack. > 2. About 6 hands into heads-up play at the end of the second tourney, I was > dealt KhJh in the SB. We hadn't had any hands of significance to this point. I > was down 3-1 in chips, so figured I needed to get aggressive sooner or later. I > raised 600, he reraised 600 and I went all in. He called and turned over AJ. What were the blinds? It sounds as though they might be 300/600 and you had somewhere between 1300 and 1800 chips? In this spot, neither of you is feeling comfortable. If the blinds and stacks are as I'm assuming, then I think I would have just pushed them all in here. You still would have gotten called, but if you're willing to push all your chips in anyway, do it all at once. Cut your opponents odds, scare him a little bit, and move him off some weak hands that he normally might call the 600 with for the chance to bust you. With these specific hands, there wasn't much you could do to change the outcome. > All in all, I think my first tourney experience went well, but I've still got a > lot of learnin' to do. I'd very much value your thoughts on these hands. > thanks. | ||
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| Re: Tourney Help and Hand, Schuster, 21. Jun 2003 21:18 | ||
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| Forgot to add, congratulations on doing well! Doing well in a tournament isn't always the easiest thing, keep up the good work!! Lee | ||
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