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 Final table NL To. hand, Tim C, 20. Jun 2003 12:02 | ||
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| Final table 8 players left ,blinds 4k -8k I'm bb with 10-3s after posting bb I have 3500 left. Button raises, best move call or fold? I chose to call and of course got busted. How many of would have folded, figuring yuor small blind hand would have been better than 10-3s . All opinions welcome. 8th place paid $423.00 but maybe by folding a sure loser I may have moved up. | ||
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| Re: Final table NL To. hand, mroban, 20. Jun 2003 12:21 | ||
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| Tim, Im not exactly the most expert player, but I have been in that situation quite a few times. It seems you already paid the BB and had money left over. That means you could have played 5 more hands with your short stack before the SB. Thats 5 more chances to get a better hand than the one you played. Having been in that position several times, I usually try to make a blind steal in the cutoff before the BB there (and fold if re-raised unless I had a real hand). Or, if I know I can survive the SB and the BB, just wait until the best hand and if I get Ax or Kx just go for it all in and hope for the best. Odds are you would have gotten at least one hand like that in the next 5. Not that it would have necessarily made a difference though. Did anyone else have a short stack at that point? | ||
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| Re: Final table NL To. hand, Tim C, 20. Jun 2003 12:29 | ||
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| mroban I would be the small blind next hand and would be all in, so it was that hand or the next one. If I could have seen 5 more hands I would have folded. Thanks for the feedback | ||
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| Re: Final table NL To. hand, mroban, 20. Jun 2003 13:26 | ||
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| If you couldn't have lasted through the SB then I agree, you did the right thing. I didn't do the math, sorry. I delete my prior non-advice based on my faulty calculation...what other choice did you have? I have seen weirder things happen than hit trips with a hand like that. Also, in the SB, you had someone else acting behind you. At least here, you knew you were going to get heads up. You did the right thing. | ||
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| Re: Final table NL To. hand, Wren, 20. Jun 2003 12:55 | ||
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| You've gotta play that there. If you fold, you'll have to double up a good 4-5 times before you'll be in contention again. I really think this is an "any two" situation. Besides, your hand isn't a "sure loser" - you're only about a 1.3-1 dog against a hand like Ax. | ||
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| Re: Final table NL To. hand, Tim C, 20. Jun 2003 15:03 | ||
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| Wren Good advice, I won't lose any sleep over my decision it's just that I realy realy hate to get busted out of a tournament. I like Sklanskys theory, don't go broke with junk even if you blind out. Next time. | ||
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| Re: Final table NL To. hand, noiseboy, 20. Jun 2003 13:20 | ||
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| Any two cards have some chance heads up. At that point you are better off taking your chances heads up, as there is always the chance that the button was trying to steal, and doesn't have much of a hand (not that T3s is much of a hand either). You are pretty much pot committed with that much of your stack in. BTW, What were your hands that round before the blinds hit? If you had anything remotely reasonable, and it was folded to you in any position, you could have raised to try to win the blinds, and if not maybe you would just get lucky and double up when someone calls you. I like to be the aggressor and choose the time when I go all-in, at least then I have some chance of a steal. However, the risk of doing this with something marginal, is that you are left to wonder if you would have been dealt pocket AA's or something good in the blinds. It sucks when you are about to get into the big money, then your cards run out on you. It's happened to me a couple of times recently. | ||
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| Re: Final table NL To. hand, Tim C, 20. Jun 2003 14:49 | ||
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| noiseboy We drew for seats at the final table so I only saw 2 hands befor this one, nothing playable. It was an action table so my plan was to survive the blinds and move up the ladder. | ||
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| Re: Final table NL To. hand, PairTheBoard, 20. Jun 2003 13:34 | ||
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| Your'e getting nearly 7-1 odds on your last 3500. The fact that it's a button raise means you may not be that big a dog on the hand - as opposed to an early postion raise where everyone folded around to you. If you wait to play the small blind you are likely to end up getting 3-1 odds on your 3500 - but will be playing against the best of 6 hands and possibly the big blind, as opposed to just the button hand this time. The only situation I can see where you would not call would be if the small blind had also called and was close to being all in. From what you say that was not the case though. | ||
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| Re: Final table NL To. hand, Schuster, 21. Jun 2003 21:32 | ||
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| The button is correct in raising with just about anything, and you are correct with calling no matter what your hand is. You don't even really have to look at it if you feel like having some suspense. Given the circumstances, no hand (even 3-2 offsuit) is enough of a dog to make the call not correct. Blame it on luck I guess. ;) Lee | ||
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| Re: Final table NL To. hand, Andrew Wells, 22. Jun 2003 03:23 | ||
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| You have to win one of your two blind hands. If you win in the big blind and muck in the small blind, you have will have about 2-1/2 times as many chips as you would have if you muck now and win heads-up out of your small blind. That's enough to make it worth playing anything in the big blind against a button raise. Also, you may not be heads-up if you wait for the small blind to be all-in. When you are just trying to survive, it is always better to be in a heads-up situation than against more than one opponent. Winning a pot is more important than getting extra chips from more than one player at this point. So you have heads-up against the button. The button is the best player for you to be all-in against, since you could be facing a wider range of possible hands. All this means you should call the raise all-in holding even 72o. | ||
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