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 Pokerclack????, noiseboy, 20. Jun 2003 09:49 | ||
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| So I bought the Caro Tells video, it mostly has all the same material as the book, but it's a lot easier to digest as a video. Most of it was very good, although I would choose another word other than "laws" of tells. Although a tell might hold true for most people, you will find some for whom the same tell will mean the opposite. Anyway, when I laughed when I first saw the part about "pokerclack", I thought surely this wasn't something that people actually did. However, last night I was really trying to pick up on peoples tells, and I actually heard this guy clack! However, it turned out in this case he didn't have a strong hand. Turns out this guy was a non-actor, because another hand he sighed when looking at his cards, and it turned out that he folded before the flop. Anyway, just wondering if anyone else has noticed instances of this poker clack and what it meant in the instances that it occured. | ||
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| Re: Pokerclack????, Roy Cooke, 20. Jun 2003 10:10 | ||
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| I find "pokerclack" is generally a sign of stress and stress before the flop means they have a good hand! Some people do it naturally (I do) as a habit or as an allergic reaction. Roy Cooke on 20. Jun 2003 09:49 noiseboy wrote: > So I bought the Caro Tells video, it mostly has all the same material as the > book, but it's a lot easier to digest as a video. Most of it was very good, > although I would choose another word other than "laws" of tells. Although a > tell might hold true for most people, you will find some for whom the same tell > will mean the opposite. > > Anyway, when I laughed when I first saw the part about "pokerclack", I thought > surely this wasn't something that people actually did. However, last night I > was really trying to pick up on peoples tells, and I actually heard this guy > clack! However, it turned out in this case he didn't have a strong hand. Turns > out this guy was a non-actor, because another hand he sighed when looking at his > cards, and it turned out that he folded before the flop. > > Anyway, just wondering if anyone else has noticed instances of this poker clack > and what it meant in the instances that it occured. | ||
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| Re: Pokerclack????, MozMan, 20. Jun 2003 10:16 | ||
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| ok, I don't have the book or video yet, so 'splain... what is 'pokerclack?' -Moz "Apples, fool! Because vests have no sleeves!" | ||
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| Re: Pokerclack????, Yeoda, 20. Jun 2003 10:47 | ||
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| Take your tongue and press it against the roof of your mouth... then pull your tongue down. It's the sound a schoolgirl would make if she finds something repulsive. The main point is its a sad sound... sad means strong. If the player was truly sad, they'd fold check/fold. | ||
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| Re: Pokerclack????, MozMan, 20. Jun 2003 10:52 | ||
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| feh... I never noticed that one... I will have to keep an eye (ear) out for it! -Moz "Apples, fool! Because vests have no sleeves!" | ||
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| Re: Pokerclack????, Yeoda, 20. Jun 2003 10:56 | ||
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| The one I like better than pokerclack is the chatty player who says: "Well I've got a really crappy hand... but I'll go ahead and raise it up anyways". Seriously, who they foolin'? | ||
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| Re: Pokerclack????, TKarrde, 20. Jun 2003 11:23 | ||
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| And to think that I thought that meant clicking your poker chips by picking them up and letting them fall into a pile again one by one. But then again I am only on page 54 of the book. TKarrde "You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never to get involved in a land war in Asia. And only slightly less well known is this: never go in against a Sicilian (Mozman) when death is on the line!" | ||
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| Re: Pokerclack????, noiseboy, 20. Jun 2003 11:30 | ||
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| It's that clacking noise some people make by putting their tongue at the roof or their mouth, adding suction, then releasing their tongue which makes a "clack" sound. | ||
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| Re: Pokerclack????, Yeoda, 20. Jun 2003 10:45 | ||
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| I'd like to start off by saying Mike Caro's video has saved me thousands of dollars. Without studying his tells video, my first poker sessions would have been a disaster. Instead, my first visit to a B&M was profitable. I've experienced a fair amount of pokerclack. I find that it isn't always a sign of a very strong hand, many times it is just a sign that a person hit a card on the board that helps them. For instance, the flop comes all junk rainbow and everybody checks. Turn brings an Ace and you hear it, he may only have Ace-junk offsuit but you can rest assured he has an Ace and will bet it. I've never seen pokerclack followed by the clacker folding. Speaking of tells, I can honestly say that most players of lower limit games do not look for tells. When I'm watching players during the flop I rarely see anybody looking around... I can blatantly stare at people and they don't have a clue I'm looking. Many times I can't pick up anything, but several times I have picked up something and it results in profit (or saving my bankroll). | ||
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| Re: Pokerclack????, noiseboy, 20. Jun 2003 11:38 | ||
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| Yeah, this is true about low limit players, most are completely oblivious that anyone might be watching them when they look at their cards, or when they look at the flop. One thing you have to watch out for, however, is that when people are unaware that someone is watching they are not as likely to be acting. Lower limit players often give off tells that do not follow the general "strong means weak" rule when they do not realize that you are watching. | ||
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| Re: Pokerclack????, Yeoda, 20. Jun 2003 11:56 | ||
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| All true. However I trust the following (unless I'm given reason to believe otherwise): If they stare, I mean really stare, at the flop (turn/river), they didn't improve their hand. One guy I played fell into this 100% of the time. If he stared at the flop/turn/river, he didn't hit. If he hit, he'd stare at his chips or off to the side... it was awesome. | ||
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| Re: Pokerclack????, TKarrde, 20. Jun 2003 12:37 | ||
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| Dang. I wonder what kind of things I do as inexperienced as I am at live games. I'd love to have an experience poker player watch me for an hour and let me know what kind of tells I have. Not that anyone at my $2-$4 table is gonna care. TKarrde "You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never to get involved in a land war in Asia. And only slightly less well known is this: never go in against a Sicilian (Mozman) when death is on the line!" | ||
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| Re: Pokerclack????, Yeoda, 20. Jun 2003 13:13 | ||
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| This may a bit anal, but... I have a pattern that I follow when I play. For instance, I have a set way of putting my chips on the table. When I raise, I'll say "raise" and will stack my chips side by side and it doesn't change whether I have low 2-pair or a nut flush (I may fidgit a bit on a nut flush to trigger a call reflex). Mike Caro discusses image at the table and the value of betting/calling/raising that appears quick and decisive. I just do my best to be aware of what I'm doing and try to slowly improve my play over time. | ||
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| Re: Pokerclack????, hudson, 20. Jun 2003 12:55 | ||
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| My two chips worth... I read the book a month or so ago and I must confess that for the next week I blew several hands because I was of course concentrating more on spotting tells than on playing my hands; however, once I stopped actually looking for signs, I started to noticed certain mannerisms in my opponents. They were subtle to be sure and it admittedly took me a few rounds to verify the significance of these "tells" (e.g. - strong vs. weak, semi-bluff vs. legitimate raises), but they were ultimately profitable. For example, one player would double-check his pocket every time that he was packing a monster, while another would stare at his cards a second or two longer before he raised. I suppose that once your brain has time to digest the book it stores the information somewhere and amazingly recall it at the most unexpected time. Anyhow, I'm the last person to offer advice on any aspect of poker seeing as I have only been playing for a few months and have yet to win consistently, but I can say--with unequivocal certainty--that you will never encounter an opponent who eats OREO cookies when he has the stone cold nuts. | ||
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| Re: Pokerclack????, Wren, 20. Jun 2003 13:17 | ||
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| LOL...I love your posts, hudson. You definitely have a way with words. You should stop by and "entertain us" more often! :O) BTW I found precisely the same thing after I first read through Caro's Book of Tells. I had soo many things going through my head ("watch for this! watch for that!") that I wasn't playing my best game from a "theoretical" standpoint. However, then I decided to focus on one tell at a time - for example, the "glancing at chips when the flop comes out" tell, and I really started picking some stuff up, but it was manageable so I was no longer sacrificing proper play. Then I stopped consciously focusing on tells altogether, but my subconscious kept on working - I'd get strong vibes and weak vibes from other players that turned out to be quite accurate. That's one of the things that's so interesting about poker (and the human mind!) When one set of skills/abilities becomes automatic, you can move on and learn something new, until this, too, becomes automatic. | ||
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| Re: Pokerclack????, tommyhawk, 21. Jun 2003 05:58 | ||
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| ooooh loooolll.....can't stop laughing..great comment. hahahhehehhe...lol lmao hahhahahhehehehooooohoihih. pfeeeh hahah. ah gotta stop. lol. | ||
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