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 Deep breath, everyone, mkpoker, 19. Jun 2003 09:02 | ||
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| I tried and tried to set up an account so I could play last night, but was unable (Note to Mike: Should it really be this hard to give you my money?) So I didn't play, but I did watch (mostly STDIO and Mike Caro's tables), and I had fun doing it. Here are my thoughts. Obviously, the situation was less than ideal. The outage was a disaster. More than inconvenient, it disadvantaged many players by taking them out of big pots and resetting the button, causing unfortunate players to play twice their share of hands in the blinds. But sh** happens; no one suggests it was intentional. The structure was also bad. Chip position meant shocking little, because players could (and did) go from last to first on one hand and back again on the next. Hence, it became WAY to "crap shooty", to paraphrase Wren. So what do we do? First, we relax. Let's keep things in perspective. At worst, players lost $20--hardly the end of the world. Let it go. Let's set up a new tourney on UB or another site and try it again. | ||
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| Re: Deep breath, everyone, Mike Caro, 19. Jun 2003 12:07 | ||
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| on 19. Jun 2003 09:02 mkpoker wrote: > I tried and tried to set up an account so I could play last night, but was > unable (Note to Mike: Should it really be this hard to give you my money?) So > I didn't play, but I did watch (mostly STDIO and Mike Caro's tables), and I had > fun doing it. Here are my thoughts. > > Obviously, the situation was less than ideal. The outage was a disaster. More > than inconvenient, it disadvantaged many players by taking them out of big pots > and resetting the button, causing unfortunate players to play twice their share > of hands in the blinds. But sh** happens; no one suggests it was > intentional. > > The structure was also bad. Chip position meant shocking little, because > players could (and did) go from last to first on one hand and back again on the > next. Hence, it became WAY to "crap shooty", to paraphrase Wren. > > So what do we do? First, we relax. Let's keep things in perspective. At > worst, players lost $20--hardly the end of the world. Let it go. Let's set up > a new tourney on UB or another site and try it again. Hi, mkpoker -- I think the "crap shoot" aspect is true of most poker tournaments, in general. That is, in fact, how even the five-day World Series of Poker main event ends up. It's unavoidable. Most tournaments are targeted to last six to seven hours in real-world casinos. Online, a tournament targeted to last three hours would be equivalent. I think -- when you actually examine it -- that you'll find that you got as many hands in per level last night as you do in most one-night tournaments at real casinos. It just seems to move to fast, because there are many, many more hands dealt per hour. Still, I understand your perspective, and I think it's valid. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Deep breath, everyone, stdioh, 19. Jun 2003 12:25 | ||
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| No Mike. Of course luck is involved in any finite session of poker and in any tournament, but the closer the limits are to the stacks and the faster the limits move up, the less skill becomes a factor. I know that you know this. I've never heard of a tournament starting with limits so high and chips so low - thus is is the most weighted-away-from-skill tournament that I have ever seen. Why? Well, my imagination tells me that the less skill that is involved the better money will stay evenly distributed among players instead of falling into the pockets of only the good players. The better distribution of funds, the fewer people bust and the more people stick around on the site to play. Hooray Mike! You've turned poker into Pai Gow. It is now a house game where the only way a skilled player can win consistently is by playing against opponents so increadibly bad that they would have to be trying to lose. As for the number of hands that get dealt, it is true that the more hands you get to see, on average, the less crapshooty a touranment, but there is also the factor of swings - how many hands can you play without winning before you are eliminated - in the case of this tournament, I was able to double my stack on the first hand I played, which was in the second round. It seemed that pretty much every pot was about the starting stack size. This is very destructive to a tournament as you are pretty much playing in a shortstacked desperation mode from the get go. I dare you to find a respected pro player not working for Planet who will refute this. You can claim that it was just a fine structure until you're blue in the face, but the fact of the matter remains that you'd have to look very hard to find a faster one and that alone does not speak well for it. | ||
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