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 California caliber, hudson, 18. Jun 2003 14:05 | ||
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| Perhaps a frivolous question, but how does the quality of games out in the Golden State compare to the East Coast and/or online play? Don't hesitate to respond with appropriate frivolity. | ||
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| Re: California caliber, 4 POKER, 18. Jun 2003 14:26 | ||
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| Hudson, From what I have witnessed........ The game selection in california is the best. The quality of players is questionable however. There are really good poker players on the west coast and there are really good players on the east coast. So I wouldn't want to say that California is filled with all bad players, because it's just not true. BUT..... the amount of games that there are to chose from is incredible, it really is. And I can only speak for the card rooms in southern California because I haven't ventured to any of the poker rooms in the northern part of the state as of yet. They do treat ya real nice here though and maybe because california is so heavily populated with residents and tourists, makes this state a great place to find plentiful games. California is also a very rich state and there are a lot of people who have a ton of money who simply just like to gamble. That will also add to the reason why Cali is just booming with poker players; whether they be pros' or just people who want to enjoy themselves. I'd like to add something that's very impotant here... the casino's in Atlantic City, Foxwoods and Las Vegas are casinos that target the player who plays in the gambling games such as the slot machines, BJ, craps, roulette, and so on, where poker is purely an afterthought. Their main focus is not on poker, where as in California, it's mainly poker. They'll spread only a few BJ tables, there's no roulette wheels or craps or even one slot machine. This may cause the person who wants to gamble in something to sit down in a poker game. And for that reason alone, the caliber of play may be a little bit weaker. Now....when you compare any poker room to on-line poker, YES, you still will get the really good(pros') that play on-line, BUT, because on-line poker is spread out to the entire world, you will find many many more players who have never played a game of poker in their life...their country or whatever never had any B&M's to play in, and thus for, the caliber of play may be a little bit weaker and looser. But like I said, there's good and bad everywhere. It basically comes down to where YOU prefer to play at and what type of games best suit your style. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: California caliber, Scrubbie, 18. Jun 2003 15:28 | ||
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| I am going to agree with 4 Poker here, speaking from the "Southern California " to "Vegas" poker gaming comparison. So Cal has more games and tables then Hefner has girlfriends. (Alright, maybe I am pushing it a little) The food is great (comped for $15 and up games) and the service is top notch. However ... I have found Vegas to excel in two arena's! The Rake: The rake is much lower in Vegas, because in California you have to "pay to play". I don't even call it a rake, it should be called "The Juice". Drunks: While California has its fair share of drunks and newbie's, I find the late evening's in Vegas to be the best time to cash in on the "Wow ... Poker ... this should be fun" crowd! To the casual gambler, playing poker is "cheap" compared to the tables! Scrubbie "I'm am the one with the big stack" | ||
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| Re: California caliber, noiseboy, 18. Jun 2003 15:38 | ||
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| California is home to some of the best and a lot of the worst poker players in the world. The lower limit games are mostly aquariums full of fish, but the high limit games have some wily loose aggressive players who will eat you alive if you are even remotely weak. There are also good solid players, but CA is sorta known for the loose players. | ||
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| Re: California caliber, hudson, 18. Jun 2003 16:28 | ||
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| Aha! Not such a transparent question after all. Your responses make an eerie amount of sense...I play in the Bay Area casinos and find that while I can consistently beat the 3-6 tables (and this with a but a gossamer of experience) but I run into heaps of trouble when I even try the 6-12 and 9-18 games (just read my posts)...It seems that discrepancy is quite alarming...however, I have learned more in a month loosing hundreds of dollars on the higher limit tables than winning it at the lower stakes (not an lightning bolt epiphany I know--education don't come cheap). So, what sort of learning curve can I expect from the 6-12 and 9-18 games since it only took me three months of playing and reading to start winning at the 3-6? Six months to a year? Longer? | ||
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| Re: California caliber, noiseboy, 18. Jun 2003 16:54 | ||
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| Well, if your B&M is typical of CA, the limits immediately higher than 3-6 are generally much more aggressive. A lot of the players still aren't very good, however, it is much trickier to beat an aggressive table than it is a passive one. Some of the players will be good, and some will be raising at the drop of a hat with cards that don't deserve the investment. The hands that make you money in loose aggressive games are big pairs and big suited cards. If there are a lot of people in the pot, you might try some smaller pairs, but if a lot of pots are getting capped, you will need players who play just as crazy after the flop or the implied odds go down and small pairs will no longer be worth playing. If you end up with a draw on the flop, you want it to be a PREMIUM draw, like a str8+ flush draw, or nut flush plus gutshot, premium overcards+four flush, something good. Don't put too much money into big offsuit connectors, if you've got five or more players capping it before the flop, a hand like QJo is probably not worth it. Basically, you have to anticipate what you will likely have to pay to see the flop and how many players there will be and play accordingly. For an explanation of how game conditions affect hand values, I would recommend Gary Carson's "Complete Book of Hold'em". He specializes in these types of games, and explains them very well. | ||
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| Re: California caliber, hudson, 18. Jun 2003 17:57 | ||
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| Fantastic advice, thanks. Although I do find that my big pairs and suit-cons are consistently being ambushed by middle drawing hands that I cannot possibly blast out of the flop with six bucks--or twelve or eighteen for that matter--and this more than anything ignites the tilt-fire in me (well, other than the condescending remarks and smirks, on which I hope to one day inflict the ruthless punishment that all hubris deserves). What semi-bluff-type hands should I occasionally be raising for purely deceptive purposes and to gain some respect, so the cocky Satin Jackets and Ray-Ban Knock-offs stop turning me into their personal marionette? | ||
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| Re: California caliber, noiseboy, 19. Jun 2003 12:01 | ||
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| You actually don't need to bluff that much if your opponents are the loose aggressive type. These types of players came to PLAY, and you shouldn't lose too many of them when you are on a legitimate hand. Use your cards to randomize your play, when you have the proper number of callers, RAISE with your premium draws, use their hyper-aggressive nature to help you build a monster pot. | ||
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| Re: California caliber, Jav, 18. Jun 2003 17:32 | ||
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| It's also important to note that you may find significantly different games in the card clubs than you might find in the Indian casino's. I've mostly played at Oceans Eleven in Oceanside (North San Diego County) in the last couple years because it's so close to my house, but I remember feeling like the games were a bit easier at the indian casino poker rooms. | ||
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