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 Pot size, chasepoker, 17. Jun 2003 17:58 | ||
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| Okay i have now pretty much mastered the basics for hold em i reckon now i think i need to move on to differnt concepts. The first is pot size if for example i have 77 on the button in a really loose passive game ( Most pots 6 callers pre flop no raise ) 4 people already in and you just know the blinds are going to call with any two cards ( even a raise ) do i raise on the button, the theory being that if i flop a set then other people are going to call my bets as the pots size is so big ( ie with over cards / bottom pair back door flush draws) I have read about this concept a lot but feel i might be missing the point somewhere. I guess the questions are: 1) do i raise pre flop in this specific situation ? 2) If yes , is it because i want to get paid off if i hit my set ? 3) If yes. is raising with Axs on the button the same concept i am buliding the pot with the intention of either hitting the flop big or getting out ? 4) If yes, should i go as far as raising with, for example , TJs for the same reasons. Hope it all makes sense and that someone can help ! Many Thanks in advance Chase | ||
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| Re: Pot size, Andrew Wells, 17. Jun 2003 20:20 | ||
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| It is by no means manditory to raise on the button with all those limpers when you are holding a small or medium pocket pair. A raise here is for the purpose of making the pot bigger. Therefore when you do hit a set (and it improves or you otherwise have the best hand) you will win more. However you are also making the pot big enough for weak draws to often stay until the river. So you will win somewhat less often with a flopped set, but this is more than compensated by the size of the pot when you do. If you are playing on a small bankroll, it could be argued that it is better to play to reduce your fluctuations and prefer to just call here. The same applies to AXs or suited connectors. However here you may need to complete a draw, whereas the set may hold up on it's own. The straight or flush is often a stronger hand when you do get there, and you also may be able to play for a free card on the flop or turn that you won't with the made set. So all of these hands can be played for a raise if you choose to. I'm more inclined to favor the raise if I have been catching starting cards that have let me play aggressively. If I have been doing a lot of folding, I would lean towards just calling. What sort of limpers are in the pot is another consideration. If there are two or more players who are very likely to be there at the showdown (they consistently take weak hands too far), then I prefer to see if I flop something first. Bottom line is you can play these either way, but should not always do the same thing each time in similar situations. I tend to do more raising than calling, but that is because I am also aggressive with big hands on the button and need to add some deception here as well. I would suggest you do whatever you are most comfortable with at the time, and experience playing it both ways. Later, you can refine this more with all the "it depends" stuff. | ||
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| Re: Pot size, stdioh, 17. Jun 2003 22:20 | ||
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| Just how certain are you that the blinds will play with any two cards? I would say that you should limp and then follow the rule of no set = no bet. If you are just so sure that they will come in, then yes, a raise for value is ok. The other value in raising is that if you are at a loose passive table, there is a tendancy for everybody to "check to the raiser" which might allow you to see a fourth card for free if you don't hit. Many a set have I turned when I raised preflop with a middle pair from the button, flopped nothing, but was given a free turn. Of course at the higher limits this gets harder to get away with, but if you think you can pull it off then it gives you another way to play the hand for profit. A free 2 outer is better than an 8 outer you have to pay for. | ||
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