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 No limit tourny question, Blake, 16. Jun 2003 10:02 | ||
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| It's an online no limit holdem tourny at PP.The blinds are 25/50,I have about 900 in chips.I get dealt AK on the button,there are 2 mid position limpers.I raise it to 150.00.The SB folds,the BB moves all in for about 600 more and the limpers fold.What is the correct play? I have only been at the table with this guy for about 15 minutes so I do not know a lot about him.There were also 2 big stacks at the table taking full advantage when they had the opportunity to do so with the smaller stacks. I called the all in BB with my AK.He wound up having AJ and when 2 jacks hit on the flop he doubled up leaving me with about 110 left.The next hand I'm dealt 88.I moved all in and lost to an A5 when 2 aces hit on the flop.Did I play correctly? | ||
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| Re: No limit tourny question, shorn, 16. Jun 2003 10:54 | ||
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| With the blinds that low and your stack being still close to what you started with, I probably would have folded and waited for a better spot. You have to figure him for at least a pair, so you are a very small underdog at best pre-flop (if he has AA or KK, you are a huge underdog). One thing I have learned in the tournaments is that you can lose the tournament very early on, but you can't win it with an all-in call here. What you might have done was to raise more than to $150 (say $300) which might have scared him and the two limpers off the hand. Otherwise, I think your best move was to throw it away that early. | ||
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| Re: No limit tourny question, Mark, 16. Jun 2003 11:04 | ||
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| AK is a good hand in No limt hold'em tournaments. When your opponent moves all -in, i would put him on a high pair or face cards. So, you can be anything from a 3:1 dog to a slight favorite. The only good way to defend against this is to have a good read on your opponent. Second to that, you should have made a bigger open raise, around T300. When you are facing the near all-in call, you are risking the entire tournament on a coin flip at best. So it is really up to you whether you think its worth it. You may be a slight favorite or an underdog, it all depends on your reads. Calling all-in is weak in NLH, unless you are slow-playing. However, if someone else opened for T150, raising all-in with AK would be a good play. mark | ||
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| Re: No limit tourny question, MozMan, 16. Jun 2003 11:13 | ||
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| Here's a simple way to look at this or any similar situation: You want to put other players all-in, you don't want them to put you all-in... I know he didn't put you all-in, but it was close enough. It was his decision to come over the top at you, and early on when you have built a stack yet, that's a tough call to make. Much better to wait until you have a bigger stack, then bet his stack-size (assuming it's smaller than yours) on a strong hand and force him to make a bad all-in call. BTW... with AK early on, I like the 3 BB bet. It shows strength, but still leaves you the opportunity to lay down in a situation like this without too much pain. -Moz "Great. I've got a trig midterm tomorrow, and I'm being chased by Guido, The Killer Pimp." | ||
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| Re: No limit tourny question, Bond18, 16. Jun 2003 12:06 | ||
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| True, being forced in with AK is a lot worse than forcing the decesion on the opponent, but as far as what opponents flipped up both times you made the right read/decesion. A lot of guys in the 10 man tournys are to eager to start throwing all their chips in the pot and don't wait for a solid pocket pair to do it, like you discovered. | ||
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| Re: No limit tourny question, flintsword, 16. Jun 2003 20:28 | ||
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| The key idea here (I think) has to do with your position. Being on the button, your raise looked too much like a steal, ... not enough like a "Run for the hills boys, I have a real hand!" so the comments made (to raise 300) should be considered. Your raise, compared to an all-in, (at that stage) is like the difference between the chicken and the pig in a plate of ham and eggs. The chicken is a participant but the pig is committed. Your bet participates, all in is like the pig. AJ is unlikely to follow an all in unless you are in the early rounds of an open tournament and hip deep in poker squirrels that will call anything. IF INDEED you are hip-deep in squirrels, slowplay the AK. I hope this point of view is helpful. flintsword flintsword | ||
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