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 Fraud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, Sammy, 13. Jun 2003 12:07 | ||
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| I just recently went thru hell with an online gambling service I found on this BB which was touted as 1 of the top 5 sites to be honest. Let me introduce myself by explaining my story because what has happened to me I'm sure has happened to others they just havent noticed it. About 4 months ago, I was reading this very same message board I am posting on. I found this link thru Planet Pokers website, I figured I see what other card players like myself were talking about. I never had any problems with Planet Poker and I have been a member with them for about 3 years and I stumbled on a post on here from a gentleman I cant remember what his name was but he had made many posts to this board and was touting different gambling sites he said was legit and very honest... He went on to name his top 5... In his list of top 5 one of these sites was PartyPoker.com I figured I'd check into Party Poker.Com and see what it was like...I downloaded their software and I found the format to be very user friendly just like PlanetPoker but I was a bit taken back to see that this place was packed with people playing cards and planet who has been around much longer is empty everyday. I instantly went into the free area to try my luck with the free money they give you to see what type of competition there was here. Within the 1st hour of play I took the initial 1 thousand they give you to start with and I tripled it within the 1st hour of play... So I decided to try my luck with using my own real money... My 1st deposit was for $400 using my Credit/Debit bank card...I usually play in the 10/20 or above games...After the 1st few hours of playing I built my $400 upto $2700. I decided I wanted to cash out of $1500 but wasnt sure what the procedures were so I call Party Poker because I thought I had made a mistake doing it on my own. The rep who answered my call stated to me I infact did make a mistake and that he will just add the $1500 back to my account. He stated that Party poker would reverse the $400 I initially put in, but for me to collect any funds after that I must set up and IGM payment plan which he explained forwards any amount of money I wish back to my bank account. I asked him how long does this take, He stated its very easy, You give IGM your bank account numbers and once everything is verified you will start seeing your cash ins credited in your bank account.. I said Great! thats exactly what I want. The rest of that day I didnt gamble... The next day I received an e-mail from IGM stating they had just put 2 small amounts of money in my bank account. I need to write back to them what the 2 amounts are and once I verify this, They now know they have the right banking information to send me my money electronically. I go right into my online banking account and sure enough I see 2 small deposits in my account. One is for 17 cents and 1 is for 16 cents. I write back to IGM payments confirming the amounts and now I can start receiving any funds I cash out. The 1st few weeks was great, not as great as the 1st day I played and made 2300 profit but I wasnt losing and I usually would cash out what I basically put into the system. I kept a lil nest of money in my account to play with... A few weeks went by and I had to leave town for 6 days and I was on the road and went to an ATM machine to try and get some funds from my bank account which I knew had money in it but the machine was saying I dont have the funds... I'm thinking gee thats strange but instead of calling my bank I figured well maybe my wife wrote a check or something I'll wait until I get back home to find out whats up.. Well........... I walk in my door and I go online to look at my banking and I see a bunch of withdrawals from IGM payment and my initail thought was WTF!!!! Instantly I called Partypoker.com and I was outraged! I'll admit I wasn't friendly to the gentleman I was talking to but this convo got even more bizarre! He pulled up my account info and stated to me that I had to make those deposits and that no one from Party poker could touch my account.... I then started to argue the fact that what was taken from my account is out of character to how I gamble... ie there was numerous $100 withdrawals from my account and my history playing with them shows I deposit $400 and $500 @ a time... I pleaded with this gentleman to the point I was almost begging him to let me speak to a supervisor or a manager... He refused to let me talk to anyone, Stating i'm a liar I shouldnt gamble if i cant afford to lose... Me on the other hand is saying sir are u crazy I've been wining at your site I have no reason to lie to anyone. Finally he put another rep on the phone which I again explained my situation that when I make a deposit I use my credit/debit card which I have to also type in my cvv number in order to get funds, I have never used IGM for anything I was told I needed IGM to receive my money... The rep tells me sir calm down I will have Our top guy call you in an hourand u can explain all this to him cause basically he is the only 1 who can credit your account. I said fine I'll wait for the call....2 hours later I received no call, They are now closed! The next day I called back wanting to speak to someone anyone who could help me.. I got the run around I was being told by everyone their I'm a liar... They have my IP adress I made those withdrawals and thats that... I pleaded to no avail!!! I then said just close my account please!!! They turned around and said "Oh its already closed now" I was like wow wtf I get into here! Anyway I went to my bank and it cost me $26 to make sure IGM couldnt swindle me out of another damn dime! Now I'm thinking my problem is over PartyPoker.com is crooked and thats that!! 3 weeks go by and I'm on the road in my car, My Cell phone rings and its partypoker on the phone, The nice lady says to me by my name of course, You requested for us to close your account is that correct sir, I said yes I did because you were robbing me... She then said well why are you trying to deposit funds in your account right now if u asked for it to be closed! I said lady are you nuts i'm on the road driving! Listen I'll beep my horn to prove it!! She says well someone is trying to make a deposit under all your account info and if its not you it must be your bank! I said its not me or my bank its someone in your company stealing money and making it look like I am making deposits but they are stealing my money!!!!!! She says that could never happen it has to be my bank!! I said listen lady my bank dont know about partypoker .com... There is no one in my bank purchasing me credits to play at your website, How does anyone at my bank do this are you that crazy???? She says sir well if its not you its them thats all I got to say... I said u know what? Goodbye!!! Now I rush into my bank, I spend 1 hour twlling them this story... They have the look of horror in their face because I am saying Partypoker states u people not them are stealing my money!!! They found this to be as laughable as I did!!!!! My bank stated to me once IGM got my bank number and routing number they dont need any kinda verifiation to take my money... They can withdraw any amount at will!!!! I said they told me they needed that info to put money in my account.... I was lead to believe I could only make deposits using my credit card but I needed IGM to receive money, thats why I set up a IGM account!! Anyway to anyone who reads this......... I know this was a very long letter and I had to make it this way so everyone could understand where I was coming from... I know their are about 100 typo's or sentences running into each other but to type this I had to have my adrenaline going!!!!! I will say this.... as much as IGM stole from me I did let it go because I thought by telling my bank put a stop on a IGM withdrawals would have ended this.... Since PartyPoker called me and said someone was trying to use my account thats when I went to my bank and filed an online fraud affadavitt which I got all my money back that they stole.... anyone reading this you can take this for what its worth... I felt I was very lucky to get away from them even when they was stealing from me what I won..... I feel much happier now to get even that money back and I'm able to tell my story to the people out there who need to know what can happen to you! | ||
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| Re: Fraud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, MozMan, 13. Jun 2003 12:31 | ||
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| Are you using wireless networking at home? -Moz "Hey, your schwartz is as big as my schwartz." | ||
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| A technical explanation, stdioh, 13. Jun 2003 12:36 | ||
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| First of all, I doubt very much that it is party poker who is swindling you. Second, I doubt very much that your bank is swindling you. Now I've never heard of IGM, but if they were phoning you and telling you that somebody was trying to deposit money into the account, then that doesn't sound like they are swindling you - I honestly can't say. What I would be willing to bet on, however, is that somebody either, A) hacked your computer -> if you use Windows this is especially easy - do you have an internet connection that is on all the time? This sort of thing happens a lot. B) got your account information at IGM by some other means and was making withdrawls from them. or C) IGM was incompetent and somehow linked two accounts together so that somebody else was withdrawing and depositing to your account without knowing about it. Here is what you do. First of all, when you email anybody in relation to this, send a CC to the reps at Party Poker and ask that they CC everybody else on the list when they respond. eMail IGM (with CC to Party) and tell them that you believe somebody has been withdrawing money from the account illegally, tell them exactly what withdrawls you have made, when you made them, how much they were for, and everything. Tell them the IP adress(es) that you have used and tell them that any withdrawls made from another IP address were illegal. Then phone your bank and tell them that the money being withdrawn from your account was taken fraudulently via IGM and that you closed your account with them as soon as you saw that the funds were missing. Here's what will likely happen. Your bank has insuance that covers this sort of thing and they might just give you the missing money back and tell IGM that they will no longer do business with IGM. It is also possible that IGM will credit you with the missing money (this is less likely as these internet businesses don't have to answer to anybody). As for Party Poker, you're going to have a hard time seeing any money from them. They can deposit money into this IGM account, but if somebody else is stealing that money after it gets there, it is nolonger their responsibility. Now, if you try doing these things and you don't get your money back then there are two things you should consider. One is getting a lawyer and suing any or all of the three parties involved in your loss. The other thing you can think of doing is getting in touch with the police. The problem with doing this through the police is that both Party Poker and IGM are almost certain to be located in the Carribean and not in a country where there are many laws at all. Your bank might just claim that they are not responsible and let it slide. Chances are pretty good that you are never going to see that money again and that some con artist or hacker has emptied your bank account permanently, but if you can find out where the money went, you might be able to get them caught. After all, all of these things leave paper trails. If the money was withdrawn from your bank account by wire, then it had to have gone into another bank account. Those with authority can check what account it went to and who owns this account. It could then have left that account. It sounds like somebody was using you in a sheme like this. They transfer money from your account to another one, launder it through a few and then dump it into something safe offshore - maybe the Cayman Islands. Now that your account is empty, they use it as a part of that laundering system, so they put stolen money from somebody else's account into it and then out of it right away. What would this do? If somebody else had their money stolen the same way and traced where it went, it would have gone to *your* account and then people might be pointing fingers at *you* as the suspect. So to make a long story short, you need to move on this. Tell people, send email, and if you can afford one, get a lawyer. | ||
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| Re: A technical explanation, timmer, 15. Jun 2003 19:17 | ||
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| another explanation is that he saved his passwords on the EFT transfer sight and Party or wrote it down in a insecure place and some one at his house or work when on a poker spree while he was out of town | ||
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| Re: Fraud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, ncskiier, 13. Jun 2003 12:49 | ||
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| ouch! Is there any way to deposit and withdraw money from your account without this risk? Dude, I am so sorry you went through that, but I really appreciate you sharing your story. | ||
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| Re: Fraud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, Paul Stine, 13. Jun 2003 15:20 | ||
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| I'm trying to figure out why anyone would link to their primary checking account. Set up a freebie on-line checking account with a reputable bank, like Wells-Fargo, etc. Transfer what you want to move to your poker account into this new account from your primary. (Here we have two reputable banks, your primary and your on-line doing the transfer.) Only use your on-line acccount as a clearing house for your money. Link the on-line account to the gambling account. In this way you minimize what you can lose to what you have in the on-line account and what you have in there isn't in there very long because you are moving it. This is similiar to a DMZ in networking. BTW, I figure that your PartyPoker account or your IGM account, or both were cracked. I would first guess at weak passwords, in my experience with computers and networks, that is usually the case. A wireless network could be culprit but more likely weak security for your home computer is to blame. Are you using dial-up or broadband? Do you have a firewall or NAT? Do you know what any of these things are? Sorry about your inconvinience. Paul Stine College Station, TX | ||
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| Re: Fraud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, TKO, 15. Jun 2003 11:21 | ||
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| 1st error: linking to main account. 2nd error: keeping funds in an online account. Solution: (1) Create free checking account at bank which is used only for online transfers. (2) when getting ready to transfer funds to Neteller etc. only then you xfer funds into this account AND only the amount you want xfered into your poker site. (3) Use ONLY known and proven 3rd party money handlers, Neteller etc. Never heard of IGA. | ||
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| Re: Fraud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, timmer, 15. Jun 2003 19:01 | ||
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| please post your e mail address that you use for your party poker account and a copy of your post and Ill forward it to people who matter at party poker. | ||
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| Re: Fraud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, timmer, 15. Jun 2003 19:11 | ||
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| After re reading this post it sounds like a hoax, to many inconsistancies in it. I will consider it as such untill You (sammy ) post a valid e mail address at which time I will forward your post to people who matter at party. I know many of them personally. I will ask them about your case. And they will tell me if it is true or not . if it is we will see what can be done if it is not you will be exposed here. | ||
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| Re: Fraud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, mike armstrong, 15. Jun 2003 19:18 | ||
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| I have the account you are describing and am currently scared. I get an email when a transaction happens. Have you seen that? | ||
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| Re: Fraud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, timmer, 15. Jun 2003 19:38 | ||
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| Do as Paul and some of the others described. keep a seperate account for your online poker deposits. Keep 10 or so bucks in it to keep it open then deposit funds into it as needed. this is what I have always done and I have never had a problem with Party , planet, paradise or any other site. | ||
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| Re: Fraud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, stdioh, 16. Jun 2003 09:57 | ||
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| Though your name is a common one, I'm curious as to whether you are somebody I used to know. Did you grow up in Vancouver, BC? | ||
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