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 One hand in the NL Tourny yesterday, shorn, 13. Jun 2003 09:52 | ||
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| I am racking my brain as to whether or not I played a particular hand correctly yesterday. Here goes: Middle limits of the tourny, blinds are 100/200, I have about T6000. I am in the SB with 64s 4 limpers to me, I call with 11-1 for my draw and BB checks. Flop comes T35 with two spades giving me an outside str8 draw and a flush draw. Since the flop is ragged, I decide to test the waters and bet 600 (1/2 pot) and get 1 caller OTB. Turn is a 4, so now I have a pair and my two draws. The guy OTB was an aggressive player who would call flop bets with two overcards. I decide that it is best to try and win it here then let him draw again for free. So, I bet 2000 and he calls again. River brings the flush card giving me a small flush. I check and he goes all-in for T10,000. I think until it is almost time for the computer to muck my cards and decide to fold my small flush (which i am now thinking may have been a mistake) as we were down to 50 or so players and if I lost this hand I was out. He didn't show his hand, but I am wondering if I should have called him down. I realize that I most likely should have slowed down on the turn and checked; also, if someone had raised the flop, I would have folded but felt that it was ragged enough (unless someone else had the flush draw) to give it a try. I am most concerned about the fold on the river and how others would have handled it. | ||
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| Re: One hand in the NL Tourny yesterday, trwebb26, 13. Jun 2003 10:13 | ||
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| First off - I don't think I would've called 6-4 suited in the small blind... even with so many limpers. The reason - I hate being put in situations like you are talking about. You know the flush is no good, cuz your cards are too small - and if you don't hit a straight or straight draw on the flop - you are very likely to loose with a small pair with horrible kicker. Now on to your situation - I definately would've bet on the flop like you did. You have a 53% (I think) chance of making a straight or better. That is worth a bet. After a call - you've gotta think the guy is either on a flush draw, holding A-small with straight draw, or holding a pocket pair (maybe trips). Because he just called - he's probably on a draw. In other words - he probably has something similar to what you have. Because of this - I would check on the turn - and DEFINATELY have thrown them away after the huge bet on the river. You don't make any money in tournaments if you don't last... if you are not sure about a hand - throw it away and don't look back. | ||
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| Re: One hand in the NL Tourny yesterday, Mark, 13. Jun 2003 12:26 | ||
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| I would definately play those cards with your stack and the blinds being small, however, I would only be playing the hand for a str8 as you don't have much of a flush draw. When you got flat called on the flop for a 1/2 pot bet, what did you put your opponent on? I would be thinking overcards or flush draw. So when the flush comes i wouldn't be happy. I would bet a small amount (T600) and fold to a raise. When he moved all-in, what do you think he had? Would he bluff all-in? or make that move with top pair or trips - into a flush board against an aggressor? It sounds like your fold was right mark | ||
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| Re: One hand in the NL Tourny yesterday, Andrew Wells, 13. Jun 2003 20:26 | ||
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| I would be thinking about playing this hand for a checkraise on the flop. There is real concern about one or more of the limpers having top pair. Depending on their stack sizes it's doubtful a half pot bet will move them. If you get a bet on the flop, I'd make the checkraise somewhere between double the original bet and 2000 if the bettor has a large stack. If the bettor has a stack about half your size, I would checkraise enough to put him all-in. I would also checkraise an all-in move from an early position player if there is one caller in between, trying to isolate on the all-in with less of your stack in play. This sort of move is not without risk, but I think just betting as you did with the large stack on the button simply invites him to take you off. If he's as aggressive as you say with two overcards, he will bet the flop for you. You're on a multi-out draw anyway, so who cares if the turn gets there for free. Make someone feel the pressure with a 2000 checkraise, and you're much more likely to not have to complete your draw. It's very tough for someone to get to the turn that way without at least an overpair, and coming from the blind (where you could easily have flopped a set) even that would be a tough call. It's also going to be tough on someone with the nut flush draw at this stage of the tourney holding a large stack, because you are leaving yourself with enough remaining chips as a threat to bet all-in on the turn without giving 4:1 if a blank falls. Even though you will check to a blank on the turn, your opponent doesn't know that. If you are called and check the turn, you probably aren't going to be facing someone sophisticated enough to bet you into an all-in decision without their holding a set. In short, use what little advantage you have in a blind position to be deceptive here with outs. | ||
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| Re: One hand in the NL Tourny yesterday, spk, 16. Jun 2003 08:08 | ||
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| Your opponent played his hand typical to a player playing to a flush draw, I think you saved some money not calling.... | ||
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| Re: One hand in the NL Tourny yesterday, shorn, 16. Jun 2003 08:50 | ||
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| Thanks to all who responded. I think each of your thoughts has a lot of merit and depending on how well I know a player could be used effectively. I now think that the fold was the best option on the river if only because it allowed me to survive and play on (and eventually get to the final table). Andrew's CR play is quite intriguing I have to say and might have worked against this particular opponent. Bottom line...I still have a LOT to learn to play NL correctly! | ||
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