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 WPT - June 11th, Big_Slick, 11. Jun 2003 19:21 | ||
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| They are down to 3 players. Do any of these guys know how to fold???? They look like the fish that play 3/6 on Party Poker. | ||
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| Re: WPT - June 11th, gary ford, 11. Jun 2003 20:20 | ||
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| on 11. Jun 2003 19:21 Big_Slick wrote: > They are down to 3 players. Do any of these guys know how to fold???? > > They look like the fish that play 3/6 on Party Poker. wait till you see the rest of the show | ||
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| Re: WPT - June 11th- here's my detailed notes, Easy E, 11. Jun 2003 20:36 | ||
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| Poker Party Million II tournament. I missed the first 10 minutes, though I did catch the fact that it would be a limit tournament (hooray!) I think that they should try different formats and games (including pot limit, if they can coordinate it properly for television) during next season. Also, instead of starting EVERY SHOW with the intro to holdem, have extra episodes (like they are running before the WPT championship later this month) that go over poker basics, and repeat THOSE shows, of half hour length?, often throughout the 2003-04 season. I came into the show just after Chip Jett nailed Dan C with the trip 6's. Dan C seemed overly aggressive, betting into Chip on the previous hand (did Chip check-call and trap him?) and THEN betting into the raiser (Cowboy) when the 3-flush flopped and Dan only had a pair of Aces and no flush draw... of course, checking and probably folding the top pair isn't the greatest play, but Dan's kicker wasn't that good... Mike Sexton comment " when opponent flops 2 queens..." Mike, Cowboy flopped a SET! Come on! Later, when Dan C busted out, Vince's quote "Dan .. has to go back and watch some Rounders tapes." Vince, SHUT THE HELL UP! Just be quiet for the rest of the year! Good to see them show the chip position with player shots after the first commercial break. Seem to be updating the chip count more often, last few weeks? When the button raises your SB and you hold AJoff, why didn't Cowboy reraise? Setting a trap? I liked Chip's attack of the blinds as the leader with Q6off... but won't they call more often due to suspicion, especially at limit poker? Maureen has a wheel draw and raises Chip's bet on the 233 flop? Does she think her Ace will be good, if she catches it? Well, she did describe herself later as an instinctive player... " Maureen doesn't even LOOK like a poker player" Vince, SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! What exactly does a poker player LOOK like to you, you twit?! Vince AND Mike- PAY ATTENTION. When the three deuces were on board, they said that Howard needed an Ace to stay alive..... what about the case 2, you goofs?? Please, please PRETTY PLEASE spend more time editing your work, dammit!! Cowboy bets his AT top two pair on the flop, bets the turn Jack... and then CHECKS the river? Overly cautious for a limit player, isn't it? Howard wasn't showing aggression... At first I thought the commercials were a more reasonalbe 15-minute intervals... then they go back to 10 minute intervals again (sigh) Chip Jett HAD to bet into Howard on the turn, after raising preflop with K8 and betting the flop... even though he didn't have anything. Howard wasn't showing much, have to fire the second barrel like he did. Mike, YOU should know that- explain it! I thought Maureen's raise of Chip's flopped flush with A2 on an As5s4s3d turn was overly aggressive... does she protect against the four flush? She did say later in her exit interview that she thought that she was winning that hand... Does she HAVE to bet the 9s river? If not, seems that she has to know she's beaten... Next hand, Maureen calls with 96s... steaming from Chip's 86s? Okay, stupid comment by Mike, repeated by Shana- "No man has EVER won the (PPM)" .... well, given that this is PPM II, what was the point of THAT dumb comment? (I was going to rant about another Vince dumb comment- the clairvoyance one- but I'm tired of beating on the helpless....) Maureen calls Howard's raise with A3d (has no flush draw) AND when she's short stacked? Does she assume that Howard's trying to run a tighter player over? Had she given up on the tournament at this point? Doesn't she have to take her image, in their eyes, into account? So, where were the gratuitous comments along the lines of "Well, we'll FINALLY have a man win the PPM!" when Maureen busted? Huh? I thought Cowboy's overcall of Howard's raise of Chip, with A3h, was a bit weak- reraise or fold here? Or is he suspecting a steal and wants to catch the flop, out of position? Not a good move. Chip doesn't bet the top pair on the river, when Cowboy has been calling along.... because he doesn't think Cowboy will call the river? Or not worth the risk regardless? Seemed a little timid, given some of the Cowboy's overcalls and his less-than-tricky play up to that point. ALL HAIL THE POWER OF PRESTO!! CRUSH THE MEASLY TWO PAIR! I'm sitting there thinking "Howard KNOWS the power of Presto- he won't fold to the flush bluff-raise"... and YES, PRESTO ROOOLES!!! Howard also had a good preflop raise with AK next... and then a NICE flop bet with the trips! He should have delayed-bet the turn, though. It might? have confused Chip into calling? (or is Chip too good for that sucker play?) When Cowboy was being aggressive, I liked his play. His 3-bet with 66 preflop was nice, aggressive with his set when the 3 diamonds were on board... Howard's 4-bet was also very nice. ... but their calls were questionable in some cases, it seems. Howard calling with K4off on a board of 56388... ? Stupid Vince reply to Mike's question: "Howard is thinking about getting out of this game" Yeah, Vince, keep talking your hole deeper... made your later "focus" line look REALLY stupid and foolish. Andy Bloch- NICE tux! Given that you didn't make the final table, guess you won't be doing THAT again! I thought it was interesting that Cowboy Joe reads a book during the early rounds... Cowboy BLEW a great opportunity, IMO, when he had Broadway, checked the turn to trap Chip... but immediately grabbed chips as if he would automatically call Chip if he bet? Was he setting up a river play? Chip probably? would have bet the turn without that move, since it was so unusual he checked and Cowboy lost some bets. Weak Cowboy call with big slick on 8672 turn.. and THEN checks in the dark? bad, bad play... When he's aggressive, Cowboy's game isn't too bad. I liked the way he committed to pair hands in the face of aggression, especially the time he called Howard's action when it was unlikely that Howard has T9... Howard was very aggressive with a lot of straight draws (mainly low ones, I noticed). Was Chip THAT loose-aggressive? Howard did make some bad river calls when he caught little or nothing with those draws IMO... because of pot size? NICE checkraise on the turn with Broadway, when possible ignorant-end straight comes (trapping Cowboy), by Howard. Couldn't believe Cowboy called it down... Cowboy made a later bad call with AQ on the river with the Ace high... he seemed to do that way too often- because of his chip position, he had to gamble? I thought Howard's aggression with 66, on a flop of Jh7h7black after Chip raised pre-flop, was really interesting. I guess Howard is REALLY comfortable at limit holdem... he looked it throughout when he was heads-up with Chip Jett. Chip check-raises with 85 on 357 flop? The amount of aggression that Chip and Howard showed made it hard for me to think! I HAVE to start taping these shows, so I have a chance to review them and thinking about WHY... Damn it all, now commercials are coming every FIVE minutes? Come on! Vince: "we have a whale and a barracuda"- which was whom, Vince? SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP! Chip seemed to be calling Howard's check raises without thinking much (auto pilot?). He won a few of those by catching cards later, but still seemed that he was either expecting Howard to hit the throttle, or was picking up something. I think this was the ONLY smart comment Vince made in two hours " Don't try this at home (these are trained professionals)" Howard got SO lucky several times at the end of the tournament, such as catching the trip 4's against Chip's top pair Jacks that Chip bet to the river. At least when Howard sucked out on the river later on, he had double-outside draw that he was playing with before catching the lucky river. Those 2 hands, I wonder how the tournament would have ended up? I bet CHIP is wondering that too! He got flustered, it seemed, by the second suckout. Vince, why don't YOU go back to ANNOUNCING Crazy 8 games? SHUT UP!!! I was really surprised at Howard's call of a river raise, with Chip showing early aggression on the 6cJc4c flop, and a board of 6J463, with only the pair of fours... On the last hand? it was obvious that Vince and Mike were letting their hole card knowledge affect their announcing. There was a 3-flush on the turn, his 2 pair wasn't THAT guarenteed.... Wow, what a lot of action in this show- hard to keep up with, just to take these notes. Not much chance to think about what I was seeing- I'll have to watch it again Saturday and try to reason some things out.... Signing off, Easy "Siskel" E | ||
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| Re: WPT - June 11th- here's my detailed notes, Keyser Soze, 12. Jun 2003 08:56 | ||
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| I don't remember the name of the player, I think it was Dan C, who claimed in his tape interview that "The young guys were going to change the game of poker" and "The old guys (blah blah blah... I was chucling too much to pay attention!!) Next thing you know "Mr. Young Guy" plays poorly, is busted out, and walking away :) Keep changing the game, sport.... I had myself a nice little laugh hehehehehe!!!! | ||
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| Re: WPT - June 11th, Brent, 12. Jun 2003 08:16 | ||
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| Because of work I haven't been able to catch the show completely or to often but one thing I would like to see is hand numbers. That way we can follow how many hands were played between these big pots. Just my two cents. | ||
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| Re: WPT - June 11th, JLenart, 12. Jun 2003 13:10 | ||
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| As a TV producer (yes really am) it really made me crazy looking at the constantly out of focus table camera. Every time they took to the board I could barely decipher the cards. It seems that for a national TV show this would have been spotted and corrected. John | ||
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| Re: WPT - June 11th, MouseBeast, 12. Jun 2003 15:01 | ||
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| Did anyone else notice that several times during the last hour of the program, Howard would be way down in chip position, then miraculously jump back up again after a break? I understand the need for editing the tourney, but the continuity felt way off to me. "Excuse me while i whip this out!" MouseBeast ~(__)8> | ||
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| Re: WPT - June 11th, Andrew Wells, 12. Jun 2003 19:31 | ||
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| Is that quote from Blazing Saddles, one of the funniest movies of all time? | ||
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| Re: WPT - June 11th, MouseBeast, 14. Jun 2003 11:13 | ||
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| yes...yes it was.. ;) | ||
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| Re: WPT - June 11th, mkpoker, 12. Jun 2003 17:22 | ||
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| on 12. Jun 2003 13:10 JLenart wrote: > As a TV producer (yes really am) it really made me crazy looking at the constantly > out of focus table camera. Every time they took to the board I could barely decipher > the cards. It seems that for a national TV show this would have been spotted and > corrected. Honestly, I got up out of my chair and adjusted the contrast on my TV! I'm glad to know I'm wasn't alone. I worried my eyesight was failing! > > > | ||
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