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 Pocket Nines In The Small Blind, 4 POKER, 11. Jun 2003 00:24 | ||
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| You're In the small blind with pocket nines. Everyone folds to the button who is the type who uses his play in this spot, correctly. He's not super tight, and he's not overly aggresive, but he does make the occasional "move" on the button. The big blind is your average type player. What would you do in this spot if you were the small blind? Would you just call the button's raise or would you re-raise to try and get it heads up? Any opinions? 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Pocket Nines In The Small Blind, Schuster, 11. Jun 2003 00:45 | ||
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| I would reraise. I don't know the odds off the top of my head, but an overcard is pretty likely to come. I'd rather only one person try to hit it than two. Plus, I'd feel much more comfortable playing in first position against only one player than against two. That said, from what I've read, you're about 100 times the player I am. What do you think? Lee | ||
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| Re: Pocket Nines In The Small Blind, 4 POKER, 11. Jun 2003 01:06 | ||
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| I agree. I was in that very situation last night in a live poker game. The first time I chose not to re-raise and wound up losing the hand to the big blind who held K-9 offsuit.(of course he flopped the King)! The very next round I was dealt the pocket nines again, and everyone folded to the button who raised and now I chose to three bet the hand. The BB folded and luckily the button didn't have a hand or one that was strong enough to call my bet on the flop. That's not to say that everytime you three bet that hand out of the SB that the BB isn't holding something strong as well, but he is more likely to not have a strong enough hand that would warrant a call of three bets. Also, you should be aware of the player who is in the BB. if he's extremely loose then maybe a re-raise would not be the best option, but against the average type player I feel that it is. So yes, I would rather risk the extra bet before the flop, for this hand will play better heads up.. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Pocket Nines In The Small Blind, shorn, 11. Jun 2003 05:14 | ||
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| I would re-raise 95% of the time. Perhaps if I am holding AA or KK, I might just call to try and trap 2 players, but otherwise if I am going to play with a hand like 99, I only want to have to beat 1 player with it. If the BB does call my re-raise, well then i am most likely in big trouble. Then, no set no bet. It is my opinion that in that instance the odds of the button having a better hand than yours is much less than if he raised from EP or MP, so increase your odds to win the pot and lose the BB. | ||
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| Re: Pocket Nines In The Small Blind, Schuster, 11. Jun 2003 13:54 | ||
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| > Also, you should be aware of the player who is in the BB. if he's extremely loose then > maybe a re-raise would not be the best option, but against the average type player I feel > that it is. I thought about it a little more, and this is a larger factor than I thought. If you thought the BB was going to fold if you just called, then I would just call. Then when you bet the flop, your opponent is only getting 6 to 1, not good enough to see the turn with overcards, in the fundamental theory of poker sense. If he pays the bet, you've made money on his mistake. On the other hand, if the BB was going to fold anyway but you raised, then your opponent would be getting 8 to 1 on your flop bet, which would be good enough to see the turn with just overcards. He hasn't made a mistake if he calls, and you could lose the whole pot. If the BB were a really tight player, I would consider just a call, but probably only in a live game where I could get a read on him. If he were a little looser, I think the raise is the only option. Then you have to hope the board causes the button to (hopefully incorrectly) fold to a flop bet. There are more steal hands where both cards are higher than a 9 than not. Am I overthinking things? Lee | ||
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| Re: Pocket Nines In The Small Blind, chasepoker, 11. Jun 2003 05:24 | ||
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| I would without hesitation raise from the SB ( and play the hand aggessively from here unless told that i am losing by the BB / Button ). I am very much of the theory ( or have taken on board Slanksy's theory maybe if truth be known) that in situations like this where you can raise or call, raising is ALWAYS the best option. Of course there are the ' it depends' situations you could describe but on the whole i would re-raise the button. Chasepoker | ||
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| Re: Pocket Nines In The Small Blind, stdioh, 11. Jun 2003 08:35 | ||
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| I would definitely reraise here. For one thing, your nines are likely to be better than what he's got. He could be stealing with any ace, a worse pocket pair, any two cards over 10, etc. Also, 99 does well heads up, but poorly 3-handed. If the BB can call one bet then he's going to be able to hit something that beat you on a lot of flops. You reraise here and call if you are 4-bet. If the flop comes something scary like AKQ, you're probably going to have to release, but that all depends on your read. You're out of position so it is tough to play with something like that. If the flop comes raggety, you're probably good and will be able to get money from overcards. The important thing is that it is difficult to play in this situation, so if you know that you can't do it well then you should just fold your 9's off the bat. You don't have odds to try to hit a set so if you're not prepared to play them against a flop with some overcard then don't play them at all. | ||
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| Re: Pocket Nines In The Small Blind, noiseboy, 11. Jun 2003 09:23 | ||
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| I would think that reraising is in order against the possible steal. Then bet the flop unless it looks really bad. If he raises you on the flop, then you have a big decision to make based on your read of the player. | ||
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| Re: Pocket Nines In The Small Blind, randallt, 11. Jun 2003 09:37 | ||
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| From ur description of the raiser, and if the BB is a solid player, I would probably just call, and have a look at the flop. Unless I got a scary flop, a check raise on the flop. I find that I'm able to win more pots with this play and that type of situation that 3 betting b4 the flop. It seems that in the last year or so, more button raises are skeptical of the blind 3 bets and become overcommitted to playing aces(2big overcards). | ||
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| Re: Pocket Nines In The Small Blind, Risky Business, 11. Jun 2003 12:01 | ||
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| That's an interesting twist to it. I agree, because I always look for the late position raiser to be bluffing, and watch him as far as he'll let me. However, you run the risk of them improving, and you're more likely in against 3 instead of 2. Sooooo, if the flop comes overcards, you are making a major play by check-raising...or you're folding to a bet and have only lost the blinds. ...and if it comes undercards, you're in a good position with your pair against non-pairs, if in fact the raiser wasn't paired higher. A fun decision to make, and a great opportunity to show the table you're willing to change gears. 1. Jun 2003 09:37 randallt wrote: > From ur description of the raiser, and if the BB is a solid player, I would probably just > call, and have a look at the flop. Unless I got a scary flop, a check raise on the flop. > I find that I'm able to win more pots with this play and that type of situation that 3 > betting b4 the flop. It seems that in the last year or so, more button raises are > skeptical of the blind 3 bets and become overcommitted to playing aces(2big overcards). | ||
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| Re: Pocket Nines In The Small Blind, LJH, 11. Jun 2003 13:57 | ||
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| dear 4 poker, raise him and keep raising him pre-flop. when the flop come good then bet, and keep betting until something untoward comes. LJH | ||
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| Re: Pocket Nines In The Small Blind, 4 POKER, 11. Jun 2003 15:20 | ||
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| on 11. Jun 2003 13:57 LJH wrote: > dear 4 poker, raise him and keep raising him pre-flop. when the flop come good then > bet, and keep betting until something untoward comes. LJH LJH, Thank You. | ||
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