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 Last night's WPT, MozMan, 5. Jun 2003 13:49 | ||
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| OK, not sure how many caught the WPT last night. I have a question about the heads-up play at the end. The pro (Layne) has an insane chip lead over the celeb (the guy from the Lakers), about 900K to 100K. Now, if you have that kind of lead, AND you are the pro and the other guy is an amateur, don't you jump right in and bully? I'm thinking if I'm the pro, I'm gonna bet the other guy's stack every hand almost regardless of cards (hell, I might even make a show of betting him to all-in without even looking at my cards). I can afford to double him up a couple of times, and chances are I will rattle him so much that he'll make a bad all-in call... What do you guys think? Maybe I'm way off base here... -Moz "There is no spoon." | ||
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| Re: Last night's WPT, Guru, 5. Jun 2003 14:44 | ||
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| I'd argue that Layne was bullying Jerry pretty hard. He made Jerry muck some solid hands by making the pot odds work against Jerry every time. I'd hate to agree with Sexton, but Jerry seemed to be playing scared most of the showdown. Yeah, with that kind of chip lead, you could afford to double the other guy up a couple of times, but that doesn't make it a wise move. A couple of double ups gives your oppenent room to be choosier about the plays he makes. I'd prefer to keep pressure on the guy by causing him to blind out and force him to makes moves before he'd like to because he can't afford too many more blinds and antes Maybe it's just me, but did anyone else thing that Layne seemed like two different people from his last WPT event to this one? For one, I thought he looked a lot different, but I also thought he played a lot brasher and cockier than he did before. Maybe it was the huge chip lead, but he seemed to be pulling stunts and comments that made him loo like an ass whereas before I thought he played with a more laid back, contemplative demeanor. | ||
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| Re: Last night's WPT, Risky Business, 5. Jun 2003 14:47 | ||
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| Didn't see it, but It's 900k-100k.........you go all-in blind, he actually holds a hand and doubles up. It's 800k-200k.........you play, he catches something, and doubles up. Now it's 600k-400k. So you've got 1 chance to be a funny guy. Lose the 2nd and he's back within 200K. Yes, you're way off base here. on 5. Jun 2003 13:49 MozMan wrote: > OK, not sure how many caught the WPT last night. I have a question about the > heads-up play at the end. > > The pro (Layne) has an insane chip lead over the celeb (the guy from the > Lakers), about 900K to 100K. > > Now, if you have that kind of lead, AND you are the pro and the other guy is an > amateur, don't you jump right in and bully? I'm thinking if I'm the pro, I'm > gonna bet the other guy's stack every hand almost regardless of cards (hell, I > might even make a show of betting him to all-in without even looking at my > cards). I can afford to double him up a couple of times, and chances are I will > rattle him so much that he'll make a bad all-in call... > > What do you guys think? Maybe I'm way off base here... > > -Moz > > "There is no spoon." | ||
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| Re: Last night's WPT, MozMan, 5. Jun 2003 15:11 | ||
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| on 5. Jun 2003 14:47 Risky Business wrote: > Yes, you're way off base here. Chalk it up to lack of experience. In my short poker career, I have never had the luxury of that kind of a chip lead... I guess it's just hard for me to imagine what that would be like, and how to play it. =) -Moz "There is no spoon." | ||
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| Re: Last night's WPT, DallasPokerFan, 5. Jun 2003 15:31 | ||
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| I think Layne was making it fun for Jerry Buss, OWNER OF THE LOS ANGELES LAKERS, to make a connection. It seemed Jerry was impressed with Layne's ability to predict the future and read his cards, kind of like the judge's game in Rounders. If I were lane, in a free roll tourney, I would really care more about the impression I made on Jerry Buss, OWNER OF THE LOS ANGELES LAKERS, than I would winning. Flack will win plenty of tourneys .. how many times will he get a few hours of face-time with Jerry Buss? | ||
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| Re: Last night's WPT, MozMan, 5. Jun 2003 15:49 | ||
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| Well, actually I got the impression that they knew each other pretty well, so I thought maybe they were just playing around and that neither was really taking the game seriously... -Moz "There is no spoon." | ||
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| Re: Last night's WPT, ice, 5. Jun 2003 15:35 | ||
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| i think that Jerry played really poorly against layne... for one, i think layne was just goofing around, and pushing jerry out of pots jerry should have known to play. i got really dissappointed in jerry when he virtually told Layne that he had a better hand the him... the flop was ace/dimond/dimond... jerry had a flush draw, layne had top pair... club comes on the turn, and pairs jerry i think... and then the 9 of dimonds comes on the river. jerry goes to bet, and *shrugs* and TELLS layne to play his pair of aces.... obviously layne mucked it. come ON this is Mike Caro's forum, we all know that tell!... i thought that was a really amateur weak play, and if he would have kept his mouth shut and not tried to have encourage the call, he would have gotten it. *********** ¡¢£ßøx | ||
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| Re: Last night's WPT, mkpoker, 5. Jun 2003 17:31 | ||
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| IMHO, Layne was toying with Jerry once they got to heads up. Given Layne's huge chip lead and obvious skill advantage, the result was never in doubt. I think Layne was just drawing it out for fun and hamming it up for the cameras--which, in the context of a celebrity freeroll, is fine. Last night was fun, though I wish Mickey Rooney had made the final table! | ||
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| Re: Last night's WPT, SendMoney, 5. Jun 2003 21:57 | ||
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| I thought Layne did a fine job versus Jerry heads up. Layne had a huge chip lead, and Layne understood that it was a Pro/Am Invitational event and that he was there to entertain the crowd and maybe even let Dr. Buss hang around a little longer than he had to since it wouldn't be fun to just put him all in every hand right away. Layne did goad Jerry a bit by making every position bet and then showing him the worse hand after Jerry folding, ultimately this strategy got Jerry to go all-in with A10s, not a bad had but no a powerhouse either, and it had poor odds versus Layne's AQs. Is it just me or is Layne a total geek? | ||
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| Re: Last night's WPT, gary ford, 5. Jun 2003 23:10 | ||
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| on 5. Jun 2003 21:57 SendMoney wrote: > I thought Layne did a fine job versus Jerry heads up. Layne had a huge chip lead, and > Layne understood that it was a Pro/Am Invitational event and that he was there to > entertain the crowd and maybe even let Dr. Buss hang around a little longer than he > had to since it wouldn't be fun to just put him all in every hand right away. > > Layne did goad Jerry a bit by making every position bet and then showing him the > worse hand after Jerry folding, ultimately this strategy got Jerry to go all-in with > A10s, not a bad had but no a powerhouse either, and it had poor odds versus Layne's > AQs. Is it just me or is Layne a total geek? Layne is a total geek on a hot streak. He'll get cut down to size | ||
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| Re: Last night's WPT, Bond18, 6. Jun 2003 00:20 | ||
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| I personally feel that last nites episode was bad in general, and that Layne did not play well. I like watching WPT and seeing what i can learn. Last nite i learned its good to enter the final table with an enormous chip lead, make bad all in decesions and get lucky cards, then get heads up with an amateur who folds everytime he raised him. I am by no means a professional or terribly good at heads up play, but with the amoutn of hands Jerry folded on raises i coulda beat him. | ||
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| Re: Last night's WPT, shorn, 6. Jun 2003 04:33 | ||
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| Layne was clearly drunk by the end in my opinion which made him look and play strangely. I think they knew each other pretty well, so Layne knew exactly how to play Jerry. Bottom line though, a bad representation of poker to the outside world when you act like a circus monkey in a supposedly "major" tournament with $100k on the line. | ||
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| Re: Last night's WPT, Buckeye Mike, 6. Jun 2003 05:34 | ||
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| It did kind of look bad for poker if someone was watching who doesn't know the game of the circumstances of that tournament. Obviously Layne was just toying with Jerry and making it more entertaining for the crowd. There is no way he plays like that even with a big chip lead against Ivey or Hellmuth or any other top pro. He was just having fun and they are good friends. | ||
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| Re: Where do I find this?, SKinner, 6. Jun 2003 06:56 | ||
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| Is this a pay channel? A satellite channel? Any information would be appreciated. Thanks, SKinner | ||
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| Re: Where do I find this?, shorn, 6. Jun 2003 07:09 | ||
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| It is a pay channel that is included on many basic cable lineups. The Travel Channell will continue to play host in 2004, but after that who knows? | ||
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| Re: Last night's WPT, stdioh, 6. Jun 2003 08:46 | ||
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| It really depends how your opponent is playing. In heads up no limit the most important thing is adjusting your game to beat your opponent's game. So if he is hyper-agressing then you want to slow down and be a little more trappy. If he's idling, then you want to bully, etc. I didn't see it so I don't know how it was played, but yes, in general you want to agress when you have 90% of the chips, but there can be valid reasons not to. | ||
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