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 The Drink..., trwebb26, 4. Jun 2003 17:39 | ||
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| Do you guys drink when you play? I've seen it a few times on WPT. I drink during my home game - but never at the casino. I've considered starting to drink at the casino because I feel it will help me relax and ride out the "frozen waves of cards" Do any of you drink at the poker table? | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., Laredo, 4. Jun 2003 17:48 | ||
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| Webb, Don't even think about it... Robert | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., MozMan, 4. Jun 2003 18:17 | ||
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| Never. Only water, sometimes coffee or a soda if I eat. I love to see people drink, and have even offered to buy someone a drink a couple of times to keep them loose. -Moz "There is no spoon." | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., 4 POKER, 4. Jun 2003 22:24 | ||
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| Never while I'm playing in a game. Ocassionaly when I am through with my session I'll order a drink just to socialize with my friends(I very rarely talk that much when I'm at the table so this gives me a chance to do that but the drink is only sometimes). 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., shorn, 5. Jun 2003 04:55 | ||
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| Never, never, never at a casino or online when I am playing for decent money (at $0.25/$0.50 with my buddies, OK maybe but still rarely). There is NO ONE out there (Layne Flack included) who has better judgment or control when they are drinking. I can guarantee that if you choose to drink while playing, your bankroll will suffer in the long run. | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., 4 POKER, 5. Jun 2003 05:04 | ||
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| I agree Shorn, and anyone who states otherwise(Layne Flack included) has a serious issue on their hands. 4POKER | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., shorn, 5. Jun 2003 05:07 | ||
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| Yup... Hey, you still hanging in there in Vegas? | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., 4 POKER, 5. Jun 2003 05:32 | ||
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| Hey Steve, Actually, I just arrived in California last night and will be staying here for about three weeks and then I will drive back to Vegas for the rest of the summer. I'll tell ya, this California weather is going to be a real improvement, Vegas is so dry and hot and I'm just not used to it. I am having a good($) trip so far but haven't played as much poker as I normally do, the Omaha game has not been getting off every day for some reason but I have put in some holdem sessions and have done real well with that. I guess it's good to change your game once in awhile. Even though I am only in Vegas for three months out of the year, it is always the same bunch of players in the Omaha game, and after awhile, it gets old. Playing some holdem seemed to have an awakening affect on me that I found to be quite refreshing. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., shorn, 5. Jun 2003 05:44 | ||
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| Good to hear that you are doing well so far. If you are anywhere near San Bruno in CA, you MUST go check out Artichoke Joe's card room. The games there (Hold 'em mostly) are as wild and crazy as I have ver seen and are ripe for big scores (bad swings too on an off night). I once won $800 at 6-12 in about 4 hours playing as straight poker as you can...I never had to bluff and my good cards held up. It was unbelievable. Anyway, good to hear from you and continued good luck. | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., 4 POKER, 5. Jun 2003 06:02 | ||
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| hey, I will find out if Artichoke Joe's is near to where I am staying. I guess the games are great no matter where you play in California 'cause there the same way here. By the way, nice win and thanks for your good luck wishes...The same to you Steve. Dave | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., shorn, 5. Jun 2003 06:43 | ||
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| Dave- That's true. San Bruno (where Artichoke's is located) is about 15 miles south of San Francisco, so you might not be near it. Anyway, I am sure you will do well out there and please continue to keep in touch. Steve | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., Snorbolus, 5. Jun 2003 08:12 | ||
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| I play much worse when I drink and play poker than when I don't. Knowing this do I always refrain from drinking during my poker sessions? No. Sometimes I am willing to give up the advantages of remaining sober. Often I am not. If winning money was the only thing that I cared about, then I would certainly never drink during a poker session. Another, more important, consideration is that I do not drink if I am driving. Snorbolus | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., stdioh, 5. Jun 2003 08:12 | ||
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| Alcohol and poker go together like hot coals and gasoline. You are best staying away from it. Let me put it to you this way. When I'm playing 1-2 with my mates I'll suck back some beers. I'm a 230 pound guy and I have plenty to practice drinking. That said, my estimation is that for every drink I imbibe, my EV goes down by one big bet per hour for 4 hours. Now what do I think is acceptable drinking at the table? If you have the discipline of a monk, then I think it is ok to order something like a scotch and sip it very slowly over a period of *hours* ... for the taste of it and for the added small psych benefit of players seeing you "drinking" for a long time. I don't even do that myself, but I think that it is excusable. The thing is that even though you can be far from drunk, the most subtle changes in judgement can cost you a lot of money over a great number of hands. Easing the tension is a bad thing...if you need to ease the tension, you're better off having a cigarette than a beer. | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., Risky Business, 5. Jun 2003 08:47 | ||
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| ALWAYS I always have a beer bottle next to me in a casino. It's a tell that I want other players to play me for. Think about it. (I've never said I continually drink, but I always show up with one, and drink that first one in front of them) | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., noiseboy, 5. Jun 2003 11:17 | ||
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| Hmmm, I wonder about this sometimes. First off, I drink A LOT in low stakes home games where the main goal is to have fun, relax and socialize. I generally still win, even though I could probably win a lot more sober, it's a small friendly game and that's not really my goal. At a casino, I will only drink non-alcoholic beers, but I have sometimes wondered if I might play better after ONE possibly TWO beers at the very most. The reason being is related to the fact that I play music, and have the experience of playing better after one or two beers. I KNOW if I drink any more than this, it starts to deteriorate, but in small doses it seems to have a positive effect. However, the downfall of drinking with poker, even in small amounts, is that it will cause you to tilt easier. If you are running good, it might help you to be more relaxed and more aggressive. If you are running bad, I think even one beer would send you into a bad state of mind. | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., Wren, 5. Jun 2003 12:14 | ||
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| Yup. Water and tea :O) | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., Risky Business, 5. Jun 2003 13:06 | ||
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| ....and sprite and cranberry. on 5. Jun 2003 12:14 Wren wrote: > Yup. Water and tea :O) | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., Wren, 5. Jun 2003 13:09 | ||
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| tr00 :O) | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., gary ford, 5. Jun 2003 20:56 | ||
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| HI Wren--I'm a recovering alcoholic and have been sober for 26 years. Anyone who thinks they can do better while drinking or smoking does NOT know what they are talking about. By the way how do you handle a 230 pound man? | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., 4 POKER, 6. Jun 2003 01:57 | ||
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| Hey Gary, I don't mean to respond to this before Wren and I apologize for doing so but I would like to say a few words. First, I would like to applaud you on your continued success of 26 years; that is something to truly be proud of. In all fairness to Stdioh, I don't think he was talking about drinking in excess at the poker table. He said that sometimes a beer and a cigarette could relax you and may enable you to play better. I think that is a fair statement as long as you have control as to not become dependant on drinking because that could lead to a problem- but for many, it does not. As far as the cigarettes...yes, smoking is terrible and is very bad for your health, but I am a smoker and I don't feel that smoking affects my judgement at the poker table. grant it, most cardrooms are now smoke-free and I am grateful for that most definitely, but 10 cigarettes could never compare to drinking 10 beers at the table, at least in my opinion anyway. I am not a drinker, never really cared for it much(a glass of wine once in a blue moon maybe), but other than that it just doesn't appeal to me. I will say this though, when I play poker at home, my smoking definitely increases and I have been monitoring that lately myself. Even though smoking does not deteriorate my game, the after affects will, I know that and like so many other things, cigarettes are just another vice that can only do harm to us in the long run. Maybe someday I will quit again and be a success story like you. I did quit once, a long time ago and I stayed off of the smoking for 7 years-but as strong as I am in some areas, I can honestly admit that I enjoy smoking...that is a horrible thing to admit to but... I also was wondering as to why you refered to Stdioh's weight. Yes he did mention that he was 230 pounds but maybe he is a 6'8" guy;that would not be alot of weight at all! (anyway, I think you mentioned that in good fun). What do you do today that has helped you to refrain from drinking and how has that enlightened your life? I am curious to hear about someones success and the willpower and determination that you used to achieve this. Again...Hats off to you, Gary. Dave (4 Poker) | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., stdioh, 6. Jun 2003 08:56 | ||
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| I think that it is generally a bad idea to have even one drink at the poker table. I think that more than one drink is very stupid. I think that smoking is bad for many reasons, one of which is that you miss hands that you have paid the blinds for, but in terms of the way that it affects your judgement, if you had to chose one of a cigarette or a beer at the table, the cigarette is a sounder choice for your poker game. And kudos for the 26 years of sobriety Gary. I've seen a life torn to hell by alcoholism and I know how hard it is to stop. | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., Mark, 6. Jun 2003 09:16 | ||
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| 4 Poker I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but what i think Gary is saying ( and i agree) is that having even one drink or one smoke will affect the way you play. I must affect the way you play because i causes chemical changes in your body. Even a cigarette will increase your heart rate and give you a slight buzz (it becomes less noticable after time - causing addiction). This makes you feel better than before having the smoke. This directly affects you physically and psycologically - and must affect your play. Now we all agree that have 10 beer at the table is a bad idea. And we all agree that having 5 beer at the tables is also a bad idea, but not as bad as 10. So why would 1 beer be good? Sure it will relax you, but with relaxing you lose perceptiveness and not see everything that goes on at the table. You may start to miss subtle tells or someone who short changes the pot. Personnally, I don't think its worth it. mark | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., 4 POKER, 6. Jun 2003 09:47 | ||
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| Mark, I do not drink at all when I play but I'm sorry, I do think that a player can slowly sip one beer and it should not affect his abilities at the poker table. Being a smoker, I have stated that it is a terrible thing but because I do not smoke any more at the table, I do not think that the couple of cigarettes that I do smoke on a break from the game are affecting my decision making skills, in fact I know that they are not. Yes, it is a nasty habit and is bad for ones health, we all know that already, but to say that a couple of cigarettes during the course of an 8 hour session is going to affect my judgement is just not so. Maybe if a person was to smoke a ton of cigarettes it may cause some sort of fuzzy thinking or make that player feel sluggish, but the occasional cigarette that I have(and most of the time I don't even smoke the whole thing because I play in a time game, does not cause me to act or react any differently. But like anything else, moderation and control are the key. That also goes for players who like to induldge themselves in high-fat foods at the table. That IMO will cause problems as well when it comes to your decission making because foods that contain high fat and a high carb. content will actually make you more tired unless you are burning them off by excersize(and we all know how much excersize we get at the poker table, right)? Anyway, thanks for your concern. Dave | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., shorn, 6. Jun 2003 09:51 | ||
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| You can burn off high fat foods by having two cups of java too...or at least stay alert while you are being sedentary. :) | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., stdioh, 6. Jun 2003 14:53 | ||
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| I guess what it comes down to are your definitions. I know some people who slowly sip a beer and have more of it evapourate than go in their stomachs. I know others who slowly sip 6 beers over the course of an hour. If I'm going to have any alcohol at the table I'll take a glass of scotch and drink it over about 3 hours ... but even that is unnesessary - I'll stick to milkshakes and coffee. | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., 4 POKER, 6. Jun 2003 19:47 | ||
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| The only thing that I drink at the table is water and nothing else. (milkshakes are good, but to me I find that they would be too fillng).Tastes great but...! 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., gary ford, 7. Jun 2003 08:34 | ||
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| on 6. Jun 2003 01:57 4 POKER wrote: > Hey Gary, > > I don't mean to respond to this before Wren and I apologize for doing so but I would like to > say a few words. > > First, I would like to applaud you on your continued success of 26 years; that is something to > truly be proud of. > > In all fairness to Stdioh, I don't think he was talking about drinking in excess at the poker > table. He said that sometimes a beer and a cigarette could relax you and may enable you to play > better. I think that is a fair statement as long as you have control as to not become dependant > on drinking because that could lead to a problem- but for many, it does not. > As far as the cigarettes...yes, smoking is terrible and is very bad for your health, but I am > a smoker and I don't feel that smoking affects my judgement at the poker table. grant it, most > cardrooms are now smoke-free and I am grateful for that most definitely, but 10 cigarettes > could never compare to drinking 10 beers at the table, at least in my opinion anyway. > > I am not a drinker, never really cared for it much(a glass of wine once in a blue moon maybe), > but other than that it just doesn't appeal to me. > I will say this though, when I play poker at home, my smoking definitely increases and I have > been monitoring that lately myself. Even though smoking does not deteriorate my game, the after > affects will, I know that and like so many other things, cigarettes are just another vice that > can only do harm to us in the long run. > Maybe someday I will quit again and be a success story like you. > I did quit once, a long time ago and I stayed off of the smoking for 7 years-but as strong as > I am in some areas, I can honestly admit that I enjoy smoking...that is a horrible thing to > admit to but... > > I also was wondering as to why you refered to Stdioh's weight. Yes he did mention that he was > 230 pounds but maybe he is a 6'8" guy;that would not be alot of weight at all! (anyway, I think > you mentioned that in good fun). > > What do you do today that has helped you to refrain from drinking and how has that enlightened > your life? I am curious to hear about someones success and the willpower and determination that > you used to achieve this. > Again...Hats off to you, Gary. > > > > Dave > (4 Poker) Thank you for the kind words, Books are written about recovery and this is a poker forum but there are some relevant points. We all know addicted poker players/ gamblers. Confront them and they will enter into denial just as any addictive personality will. Dave, I wish i could provide a magic formula but it doesn't exist. Its a lifelong struggle, one day at a time. I'm blessed to have succeeded, most don't, unfortunately. Yes, i was kidding studioh and Wren, aka the lovely Wren, and if he is 6' 8 " i apologize. | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., 4 POKER, 7. Jun 2003 08:49 | ||
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| on 7. Jun 2003 08:34 gary ford wrote: > on 6. Jun 2003 01:57 4 POKER wrote: > > Hey Gary, > > > > I don't mean to respond to this before Wren and I apologize for doing so but I would like to > > say a few words. > > > > First, I would like to applaud you on your continued success of 26 years; that is something to > > truly be proud of. > > > > In all fairness to Stdioh, I don't think he was talking about drinking in excess at the poker > > table. He said that sometimes a beer and a cigarette could relax you and may enable you to play > > > better. I think that is a fair statement as long as you have control as to not become dependant > > > on drinking because that could lead to a problem- but for many, it does not. > > As far as the cigarettes...yes, smoking is terrible and is very bad for your health, but I am > > a smoker and I don't feel that smoking affects my judgement at the poker table. grant it, most > > cardrooms are now smoke-free and I am grateful for that most definitely, but 10 cigarettes > > could never compare to drinking 10 beers at the table, at least in my opinion anyway. > > > > I am not a drinker, never really cared for it much(a glass of wine once in a blue moon maybe), > > but other than that it just doesn't appeal to me. > > I will say this though, when I play poker at home, my smoking definitely increases and I have > > been monitoring that lately myself. Even though smoking does not deteriorate my game, the after > > > affects will, I know that and like so many other things, cigarettes are just another vice that > > can only do harm to us in the long run. > > Maybe someday I will quit again and be a success story like you. > > I did quit once, a long time ago and I stayed off of the smoking for 7 years-but as strong as > > I am in some areas, I can honestly admit that I enjoy smoking...that is a horrible thing to > > admit to but... > > > > I also was wondering as to why you refered to Stdioh's weight. Yes he did mention that he was > > 230 pounds but maybe he is a 6'8" guy;that would not be alot of weight at all! (anyway, I think > > > you mentioned that in good fun). > > > > What do you do today that has helped you to refrain from drinking and how has that enlightened > > your life? I am curious to hear about someones success and the willpower and determination that > > > you used to achieve this. > > Again...Hats off to you, Gary. > > > > > > > > Dave > > (4 Poker) > > Thank you for the kind words, Books are written about recovery and this is a poker forum but there > are some relevant points. We all know addicted poker players/ gamblers. Confront them and they will > enter into denial just as any addictive personality will. Dave, I wish i could provide a magic > formula but it > doesn't exist. Its a lifelong struggle, one day at a time. I'm blessed to have succeeded, most > don't, unfortunately. Yes, i was kidding studioh and Wren, > aka the lovely Wren, and if he is 6' 8 " i apologize. Gary, I think your magic was based on several things: One being your strong determination and the other was having somebody in your life that you truly care about and vice versa and were not willling to give that person up but you were willing to fight as to win the battle. This is just what I feel and yes, even though this may not quite be about poker, I don't care...your well-being is the most important thing and I just wanted to let you know that. All the best, always...one day at a time. Dave. | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., Jav, 5. Jun 2003 16:48 | ||
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| I know a player who is better when he smokes pot. He really is better, but what that means is that there is a hole in his game that is pretty big. Concentration and decision making abilities definately go down some, and I don't think anyone could dispute that. But he has better composure, patience, and self-control when he is high. So he loses some ability to read people, calculate pot odds, etc, but gains some handle on other important things. Obviously either way he's not the best poker player he could be if he found a better way to improve the problems with his game, without paying the other pretty big penalties. | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., gary ford, 7. Jun 2003 08:23 | ||
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| on 5. Jun 2003 16:48 Jav wrote: > I know a player who is better when he smokes pot. He really is better, but what that > means is that there is a hole in his game that is pretty big. Concentration and > decision making abilities definately go down some, and I don't think anyone could > dispute that. But he has better composure, patience, and self-control when he is > high. > > So he loses some ability to read people, calculate pot odds, etc, but gains some > handle on other important things. Obviously either way he's not the best poker > player he could be if he found a better way to improve the problems with his game, > without paying the other pretty big penalties. Does he drive better when he is high, also?? | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., 4 POKER, 7. Jun 2003 08:35 | ||
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| Wanna hear something scarey? I know this man(and a very nice and pleasent man at that) who has a drink(alcohol) in front of him at all times. He must consume at least ten to fifteen drinks during his session.(no exageration) He puts in at least ten hours of poker a day, five days a week. He's a professional player, makes sound-minded decisions(well most of the time anyway) but then... after he is through playing, he gets in his car and drives home which is at least 30 miles up the Parkway from Atlantic City. I honestly don't know how he does it, and I'm surprised he hasn't gotten anyone hurt by his poor actions, but I just don't get it. How can someone be so stupid and selfish by constantly driving home while intoxicated, five days a week? I think it's awful. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., gary ford, 7. Jun 2003 08:44 | ||
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| on 7. Jun 2003 08:35 4 POKER wrote: > Wanna hear something scarey? > > I know this man(and a very nice and pleasent man at that) who has a drink(alcohol) in front of > him at all times. > He must consume at least ten to fifteen drinks during his session.(no exageration) > He puts in at least ten hours of poker a day, five days a week. > He's a professional player, makes sound-minded decisions(well most of the time anyway) but > then... > after he is through playing, he gets in his car and drives home which is at least 30 miles up > the Parkway from Atlantic City. I honestly don't know how he does it, and I'm surprised he > hasn't gotten anyone hurt by his poor actions, but I just don't get it. > How can someone be so stupid and selfish by constantly driving home while intoxicated, five > days a week? > > I think it's awful. There are functonal alcoholics just like the man you describe. Since alcoholism is a progressive disease, this man is following a dangerous path. The law of averages will catch up with him eventually, but right now he is slowly killing himself. Just pray he doesn't kill someone else as well. Nice poker story about the tourist. Gary > | ||
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| Re: The Drink..., MozMan, 7. Jun 2003 17:13 | ||
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| on 7. Jun 2003 08:44 gary ford wrote: > There are functonal alcoholics just like the man you describe. Since alcoholism is a progressive > disease, this man is following a dangerous path. The law of averages will catch up with him > eventually, but right now he is slowly killing himself. Just pray he doesn't kill someone else as > well. > > Nice poker story about the tourist. > > Gary > A very good point Gary. I had an uncle was an alcoholic. He owned (surprise) a liquor store. Drank a tremendous amount of beer. The last few years of his life, his diet consisted almost completely of beer. When he was in the hospital those last few days, his doctor actually prescribed a case of beer to be kept under his bed for him. The doctor said that his dependency was so advanced that depriving him of the beer would cause a long, slow, painful death. -Moz "Leave the gun. Take the cannoli." | ||
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