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 How would you play this hand?, Big_Slick, 30. May 2003 20:48 | ||
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| Played a little HE and the local card room tonight. Was dealt K-K immediately as I sat down. There were 2 limpers before me, I checked (wasn't comfortable raising right out of the box) and the small blind raised. The BB folded and everyone else called the raise. The flop comes K-J-A... all hearts. Great... I've got trip Kings with a possible flush and maybe trip Aces next to me. Well, the 2 limpers checked as did I. The SB bet. Everyone called. Since I just sat down at the table, I don't really have a read on anyone. But knowing the general level of play at this room, I'm fairly certain now that there isn't a flush since both limpers checked. The turn is a rag. The limpers check as do I... the SB checks. What??? He checked??? Stupid move by him since he gave the limpers a free card. I didn't bet fearing a raise. The last card is NOT a heart (thank goodness) and the limpers check. I bet and the SB bets. The limpers fold out. He's got pocket Q's and I've got a headache because I'm thinking I played this hand wrong. I'm happy that I won but I was cursing the Ace on the flop and the flopped hearts. How would you have played this hand? I'm thinking I screwed myself out of a big bet... maybe more by not raising pre-flop. Was I being a little too paranoid thinking the SB had Aces? | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hand?, JB McMichael, 31. May 2003 01:03 | ||
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| You have to raise with the Kings in your position. You want less people in the pot with you when you get pairs . Raise to chase them out. My overall feel of your play in this hand is that you played it way to weak. On the flop, a bet is most definitely called for. You don't know the players, so you don't want to slow play this. If you did know the players and felt you could get a few more bets out of them, then maybe a slow play is correct here, but you have to bet this hand. Especially on the flop. You have trips, but if you bet out, people may put you on the flush and you can take down the pot right there. But in this situation, its a bet or raise every chance you get. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hand?, BigDMcGee, 2. Jun 2003 01:33 | ||
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| If you're not comforible raising with kings out of the box, what on earth would you raise with.. you HAVE to raise preflop. you might even get a re raise with queens, because a new guy sitting down at a table raising always looks suspcious... I always BEG to be delt a hand like that in my first couple hands. There is never any excuse for not raising with kings.. you don't want ace six in the pot. You're only setting yourself up for a fall if you don't knock out players.. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hand?, Swagman, 31. May 2003 02:27 | ||
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| I think you played this one right, other then I see no reason not to 2-bet this pre-flop. And the least of my concern was trip aces. The problem with the flop is that everyone is afraid of it. KK is afraid of AA, AA is scared of Q,10 and everyone is scared of the flush or what is likely to become one. And I see no reason to raise at any time in the hand because your not going to scare anyone off it, because no one will be willing to get in a raise war with you because their all more then likely scared of the next dude. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hand?, bruh, 31. May 2003 11:25 | ||
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| I think with a flop like that, you were correct in going into check-call mode since there were a lot of hands that could have beaten your trip K's. I probably would have raised pre-flop, tho. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hand?, mongi, 31. May 2003 12:01 | ||
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| I would have raised before the flop. Now if the small blind reraises you have a better idea of what he could have. In this situation it is more likely he could have pocket AA. However, even in this situation I would bet, or raise as soon as possible. You can't play this hand slow or tentitively the board is way to coordinated. You must get players with gutshots and fourflushes with a small heart to fold their hands. If there were 8 or 9 people who saw the flop and there was heavy betting I would be concerned somebody flopped a flush. But remember, you have trip kings so you have outs to beat a flush. The preflop raiser probably doesn't have a flush assuming he would raise out of position only with big cards. He probably has a big pair or AK and of course the ACE of hearts and the King of hearts are on the board. So I would play this hand strong only backing off if I was pretty sure somebody had a flush. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hand?, Mark, 31. May 2003 14:57 | ||
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| I would definately raise out of any position, in any game with KK, unless i was trying to trap someone. With that flop you should come out betting. If your raised, you can consider folding. By checking the flop, you are giving everyone a free chance to beat you. A single heart can try and draw to a flush, or some one may catcha a str8. You should be betting or raising the flop here,( while its cheap) to find out where you stand. If you become convinced someone has a flush, you can call, trying to hit your full house card. Checking is weak, but not raising pre-flop is a much bigger mistake. mark | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hand?, gunbuster, 31. May 2003 16:14 | ||
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| Re-raise before the flop would have made this easier to play. First, if you're first behind the blinds, you'll make it two bets. This'll knock out trash like QT or two weak suited cards. Secondly, even if they call, you are getting value for your premium hand here. You didn't mention your position, so the rest is a little tricker. You either want to end the hand here, or get odds to draw to your full house. If someone has AA, that's tough, but I don't sweat too much about set-over-set. You're going to fill up your kings often enough that it's worth going to the end, especially if you can draw in a few weaker holdings (lower flush draws, two pairs, straights). | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hand?, SoCalPat, 31. May 2003 23:36 | ||
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| This is what I don't like about your play: "wasn't comfortable raising right out of the box" So what? You have the 2nd-best starting hand possible, and it might be the best one you see all night. What would make you uncomfortable about raising here? The possibility that the rest of the table thinks you're there to gamble, or are a maniac? If the rest of the table can be so clearly wrong here about your image, even if for one hand, it can be a boon to your session. You say you didn't know a lot about the players at the table. Well, if I'm holding KK, flop a strong middle set, I'm not really concerned about how the players play at this point (certainly not preflop) -- I want to know what they have. Raising preflop or the flop would likely give me some of that info, and chase out cheese hands like Q10 preflop. If given the chance, I cap the betting preflop, and raise the flop. If I'm hit with a re-raise or there's a four-flush on the board on the turn, then I would go into check call mode and hope to fill up on the river. Not betting the turn is a mistake you're lucky didn't beat you. And if someone's holding AA, well, dems da breaks. You'll probably lose more money passively playing KK when its good than when it's not against AA. You should have won much more than you did with this pot. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hand?, Swagman, 1. Jun 2003 00:52 | ||
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| Ya it seems kinda silly for him not to raise pre-flop, and it sounded like he was petrified with the possibility of the other holding AA. The only thing out there that would have raised him a made flush, and it was pretty obvious by the turn no one had it, However, your not gonna get to be overly aggressive here, cuz no one is gonna fight with you. Honestly tho to all you who wanna talk a mean game I would have ran from this hand too after seeing the flop and played it like a mouse, just like he did. There will be plenty more hands that don't look so scarey that I would save my chips for. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hand?, gunbuster, 1. Jun 2003 07:33 | ||
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| I think it would be a mistake to play it too passively. If the guy has a made flush, you have decent pot-odds to out draw him. If he doesn't have the flush yet, but is drawing to it, you want to make it as expensive a proposition as possible. If you bet and are raised, you might not be up against a made flush yet, as good players frequently raise behind w/ a flush draw with the intent of getting a free card on the turn. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hand?, Big_Slick, 1. Jun 2003 08:00 | ||
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| You are absolutely right... I played this hand horribly. Next time, I'll come out firing. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hand?, Piers Majestyk, 2. Jun 2003 01:12 | ||
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| simple, cap preflop, cap the flop if given the chance, bet the turn when rag hits and fire again at the river. Forget meekness with your trip Kings, if someone flopped a flush then I'm just going to lose some chips. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hand?, Swagman, 2. Jun 2003 03:00 | ||
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| "I'm just going to lose some chips..." Thinking that is the antithesis of playing poker. Capping pre-flop ok. But your not going to get to even 2-bet on the rest of the streets, so put down your sword, and everybody quit berating Bigslicks play. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hand?, shorn, 2. Jun 2003 05:50 | ||
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| I agree with Piers here. If someone has AA, you are going to lose some chips but you can't be afraid of that monster everytime you have KK. I am much more afraide of letting someone draw cheaply to any flush that beats me. I think you are agressive with this hand until someone tells you not to be (or the 4th heart falls). | ||
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