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 Gus Hansen's Style of Play, Chicken Scratch, 30. May 2003 13:16 | ||
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| Has this been debated yet? Was it run through after his first WPT appearance? If there are 6-8 players at a table, there are 12-16 cards out. If you play your own Top 7, or 10, or 15 hands, what are the chances you'll hit one of those hands. Not very good. Even if you hit one of those hands, if someone comes at you betting large, will you be willing to call without a Top 5 hand? This is his strategy, right? I'm coming at you FIRST, so you don't come at me. I'll leave it up to YOU to decide whether or not I have a good hand. He's simply playing the odds that his opponent has crap, regardless of his pocket piss. We've all seen him raise-fold, or simply fold, and this may work a hell of a lot better with a huge stack (but what doesn't), but this is a revelation I've just come across while thinking of his play. Any thoughts?? | ||
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| Re: Gus Hansen's Style of Play, Lee Vaughn, 30. May 2003 17:03 | ||
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| Well, I think most players will play far fewer hands once someone has entered the pot with a raise than they would if they were first in the pot. I am sure Gus knows this, but I don't think that is his sole motivation for the way he plays. This theory would apply to raising w/ a moderate hand vs. a fairly tight table knowing that the other players will fold w/o a very strong hand. This wouldn't apply to some of the plays Gus makes. He can raise with something like 73o or even reraise w/ it. I think that he is just an extremely aggressive, fearless player. He definitely puts the pressure on the other players to decided if they want to risk a substantial amount to find out if he is bluffing. If call him down at the right time they might be chip leader, or at the wrong time they might be out of the tourney. I think this is a high variance way to play. We have seen him win twice, but I am sure there are many times he is out early. Lee | ||
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| Re: Gus Hansen's Style of Play, Swagman, 30. May 2003 19:40 | ||
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| Gus's play was brilliant because initially he showed those other gentlemen at the table that he is capable of big time bluffs. That coupled with his brilliant post flop play. Their response to this was calling him with marginal hands because they placed him on being this great 'bluffer,' that held on to weak hands. However, he tightened up a bit as the field got smaller. He was playing in 3 dimensions when everyone else was playing 2. But to give the other's at the final table credit, Gus also got the best cards during the majority of plays. A boat with 3,5. Also he would often get 2 pair while the other players were struggling to keep there top pair alive. | ||
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| Re: Gus Hansen's Style of Play, Paul Stine, 30. May 2003 19:47 | ||
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| on 30. May 2003 13:16 Chicken Scratch wrote: > Has this been debated yet? Was it run through after his first WPT appearance? > > If there are 6-8 players at a table, there are 12-16 cards out. If you play > your own Top 7, or 10, or 15 hands, what are the chances you'll hit one of those > hands. Not very good. > Even if you hit one of those hands, if someone comes at you betting large, will > you be willing to call without a Top 5 hand? > > This is his strategy, right? I'm coming at you FIRST, so you don't come at me. > I'll leave it up to YOU to decide whether or not I have a good hand. He's > simply playing the odds that his opponent has crap, regardless of his pocket > piss. > > We've all seen him raise-fold, or simply fold, and this may work a hell of a > lot better with a huge stack (but what doesn't), but this is a revelation I've > just come across while thinking of his play. > > Any thoughts?? The WPT scenario is that last 6 players in a staggered payout tournament. This is so vastly different from being the at a ring table that is six, seven, eight, nine or ten handed that it is like day and night. No limit poker is about knowing your opponent and betting, cards only become a consideration at the showdown. Now, if your opponent won't lay down his hand to your bets, then there is probably going to be a showdown. My goal in any tournament is to only have to showdown my last hand, the one with which I win the tournament. I want my read of my opponents hand and my betting to accomplish my winning, not my cards. I think that a lot of people that the broadcasts induce to play are going to find this out (or not) in a very hard and expensive way. Another thing the broadcasts don't/can't show is the two, three or four days of play that it took to get to the final table. A tournament is a very fluid, changing environment. If you can't adapt to changes in your environment, you will die. Paul Stine College Station, TX | ||
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| Re: Gus Hansen's Style of Play, Roy Cooke, 2. Jun 2003 10:25 | ||
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| Gus has a better ability to read his opponents than they do him. This is because of his range of hands is much broader, he has good reading skills and his opponents are always on the defensive (His style keeps them that way). This strategy can work well in no-Limit tournaments...but would be a tough go in live limit action. That is because setting someone up for a bet has MUCH less value in limit than no-limit. Roy Cooke | ||
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