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 not watching the board, balik, 30. May 2003 03:13 | ||
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| I'm going to tell on myself: I'm on the button with Ad Qd After preflop raises and calls it comes down to me UTG The flop: 2d Kh 6d. O.K. I've got a nut flush draw. UTG bets, I raise, UTG reraise, I call. I figure now I'm up agaisnt KQ, AK, or gulp KK The turn: Qc UTG checks Interesting. Is he slow playing me? Was he on a flush draw also? I'm thinking now he is slow playing me with AK, or KK I check the bet. The river Kd. UTG bets. I fold I was so worked up about him having trip kings that I completely missed the nut flush i was holding. I was looking for a Q to challenge his possible AK I blew this one, and I wanted to warn everyone to not always worry about what the other guy has and pay attention to what you have. Jeez This was a tournament hand, but it may have cost me a seat in the final table. Instead I finished 12 out of 107. I had AAQQ7 taken down by QQQK7 three hands later. | ||
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| Re: not watching the board, 4 POKER, 30. May 2003 03:46 | ||
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| If you were completely focused you would have been able to accomplish both- knowing what your outs were while still being able to focus and consider on to what your opponents possible holdings could have been. I think you just got lost somewhere during the hand, you lost focus; maybe you were nervous or had a mental "brain freeze"...it happens. But when you play poker(especially hold-em, for that is truly a game of playing your opponents hand as much as playing your own hand), you MUST be able to do both...you can't just play your own hand all the time. Yes, some hands just play themselves, but it is those borderline decisions that we make, those extra bets/raises on "come" hands that lead us to winning money for the day. Being able to get our opponents to fold because we have shown strength and/or taken control during the correct circumstances will add to your earn and by making costly mistakes by losing focus will extract from our earn. I think we have all been there, just like yourself and that is why this is easy for me to write and express, for I have made costly mistakes as well by not calling the turn when I was getting the correct odds to do so and had already invested the money... it sucks, and it happens to all, but you can't let it. P.S.{Make sure that you are always getting the proper rest and are playing when you are at your strongest and most aleret. It is hard and almost impossible to be truly focused if we play when we are tired}. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: not watching the board, shorn, 30. May 2003 05:33 | ||
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| Great point on the rest factor 4P. It is when I am tired that I am much more apt to make an error like this. I have made a rule for myself to never play on Friday night's after a week of work...I just found that I was a loser much more often than a winner in those sessions. I did much better going to bed early and then getting up nd playing on Saturday morning. Mistakes are going to happen to everyone no matter how focused you are. The key is putting yourself in positions to make the least # of those mistakes over your career. | ||
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| Re: not watching the board, Ted Good, 30. May 2003 13:25 | ||
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| He probably had a full house. | ||
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| Re: not watching the board, gunbuster, 31. May 2003 09:04 | ||
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| on 30. May 2003 13:25 Ted Good wrote: > He probably had a full house. Probably not. His action doesn't look like KK (quads) or KQ (boat). Most preflop raisers would probably not open UTG w/ K2 or K6. I can't figure out why he checked the turn if he had K, unless he hoped his opponent would bet, which doesn't make sense, seeing how he capped the betting ont he flop. If he was playing a set of Kings fast because of the flush draw, it definitely doesn't make sense why he's giving a free card on the turn (which was a huge mistake here). This leads me to believe he has neither AK, KK or KQ, but probably K-x (maybe KJ or KT). He comes back to life on the river when he makes trip Kings, but this is a loser to the nut flush. | ||
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| Re: not watching the board, stdioh, 30. May 2003 07:50 | ||
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| First off, I think that raising with the nut flush draw here is a bad idea. Were there any other players to see the flop? If you are drawing you don't want to chase them out. If not, then you don't have any kind of odds and you really want to see your cards cheaply. There's a king on board, so when he bets out, there is a very good chance that he has it. Now after you hit your queen, you are still drawing, but you now have more outs. When he checks to you this might be the time to make a semibluff as he's backed off and shown some weakness. That's a judgement call that depends on a lot of factors including table image read and opponent estimation. Now when you hit your flush on the river you need to be able to call down a bet from him, *but* you don't need to be jamming it. You've already made him for a king and there's a chance that he's tightened up. If he was holding KQ then we went slow when he hit top 2 pair to induce you to bet and get an extra bet on the river? It wouldn't be a great move after you called his 3-bet on the flop, but a lot of players will do this. Essentially when you make your flush with the king you have a choice between raising and calling, but if he three bets you, you're pretty much boned. I would really make the decision to raise or call there depending on the player. Lastly, when you make a mistake like that one it costs you a big pot. That is hours and hours and hours of profit right there flushed up the spout. When you do that, not only do you lose hours of revenue, but you lose hours of perfect play. If you make one mistake like that every 10 hours at the table you go from 1 BB/hour to marginally beating the game. You must watch your hand and possible hands your opponents can have because these things will kill you. | ||
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| Re: not watching the board, gunbuster, 30. May 2003 09:13 | ||
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| A couple things that I would have done.. 1) re-raise pre-flop. You have position, and AQs is a pretty good hand. If UTG 3-bets it, you can narrow him down to AK, AA, KK, QQ. AA and QQ less likely because of the ones you are holding. But since you just call the flop, his range of hands could be much greater, thus some of the uncertainty on the flop. 2) Given that you didn't raise pre-flop, the semi-bluff raise is alright here. It definitely slowed him down on the turn. 3) He checks the turn here. What kind of hands would he 3-bet on the flop, but check because a Q is here? KK wouldn't check here, because he 3-bet on the flop. If he were going to slowplay, he'd call your flop-raise and check-raise you here. I think he might slow down here with AK, if he feels you have QQ. 4) Your flush comes through and I think you make a significant mistake folding the river for one bet. I think there is enough doubt that he is has a full-house that you should have called. I can't tell how many bets there were, but I figure you were getting at least 7-1 odds for that last call. I think he has the boat less often than that, so you must call. | ||
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