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 KQ in early position, Mark, 29. May 2003 22:06 | ||
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| I played very well in a limit tournament today, except when i had KQ in early position. I was wondering what you all think of the hand in early position, as the blinds are increasing and becoming significant. I played got this hand 4 times today, either UTG or 1 or 2 left of UTG. I limped 3 times, folding once pre-flop to a raise, once on the flop, and took down a very small pot on the flop. As the tournament progressed and the players tightened up, i opened raised KQ UTG, and got called by 3 players! I was not expecting to have more than one opponent. when i flopped top pair and bet out, i got called (probably because of the pot size) and lost to a turned pair of aces. that cost me most of my stack. Just after that the limits increased and i was basically blinded out. i ended up 27th out of 144. If i didn't lose that hand, i would have probably made at least another 10 spots or so higher, and may be ended up in the money if i made a big hand or two. In this tournament, i never really felt comfortable playing KQ early. I don't like raising it cause AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 1010, 99, AK, and AQ are all going to call and then i'm an under dog. I'm out of position and can't really call a 3 bet. i hate limping early cause that entices alot of callers ( i just hate limping in limit hold'em tournaments.) So what do you guys think about the hand in early pos? I just bought phil hellmuth's book and he rates KQ below Ax suited, and i am starting to see why. Thanks in advance Mark | ||
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| Re: KQ in early position, Big_Slick, 29. May 2003 22:21 | ||
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| In this tournament, i never really felt comfortable playing KQ early Listen to your instincts... KQ is not a good hand to be playing from early position. In fact, only the strongest hands can be played from early position with any type of success. Since you are waaaaaay out of position and vulnerable, you need to be a lot more selective under the gun. Even KQ suited is an iffy play from early position... in a tight game I would fold it. These are the type of hands that cost a lot of players money. They see the high cards and get excited. The fact is (and you can attest to this) they only end up costing you money in the long run. | ||
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| Re: KQ in early position, SendMoney, 29. May 2003 22:32 | ||
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| I'd say KQ is a difficult hand in tournaments. The problem you'll have is that you'll often lose to AK when you hit a K, and you'll lose to AQ when you hit a Q. I'd say it's value goes way up as a steal raise hand when it's folded to you on the button or one from the button. If you have to play it early play it as a trap hand not a power hand - that is be inclined to bet or raise it if you see a 2 10 J flop than if you see a 2 7 Q flop. Now if you have QK and you bet into a 2 10 J flop and an A comes on the turn...those AQ or AK hands will have a false sense of security they'll think "great I have top pair, strong kicker and a gutshot at the nut straight"...wrong. You should probably play KQ about the same as you'd play QJ or 10J, that is play it for the straight or obvious two-pair/monster flops, but stay away from thinking it can stand up as a lone pair. That said if you're getting dwindled and you're desperate and need an all-in hand, it's not bad, in spite of dominated kicker theory it's still "paint." | ||
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| Re: KQ in early position, shorn, 30. May 2003 05:26 | ||
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| KQo is a dog in EP. Always has been...always will be. Especially in a tournament where people won't come without something good, this hand should be released. Similar handa are AJ, AT, KJ and QJ...all dogs in EP. Now, if you are a short stack and up against it, then that is a different story. The situation calls for a raise then. Also, if you have a very tight table image and have been only showing down monsters, you may be able to open-steal with KQ, but this is a very high variance play and not recommended very often. Bottom line, KQo UTG is a fold 85+% of the time IMO. | ||
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| Re: KQ in early position, stdioh, 30. May 2003 07:44 | ||
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| I'l usually raise KQ suited UTG and unsuited I'll usually limp. If I hit my hand I'll come out swinging, but I'll also be wary that somebody could have me outkicked. So if I have KQ and I raise and it gets three bet and then I hit my king, I'll looking for AK to beat me. If it gets cold called and I hit my queen, I'm looking for AQ to beat me. It is a hand that should be played cautiously, but unless you're in a very tight game, I'd say you can usually limp UTG with KQo. | ||
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| Re: KQ in early position, gunbuster, 30. May 2003 08:51 | ||
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| If you are going to play it from EP, you should play it when the blinds are high relative to the stacks and raise with it. Raise it as if you would AK or AQ late in a tourney and bet it strong like AK or AQ. But if you have action back at you, you'll have to let this one down. That having been said, if this were NLHE and I were short-stacked w/ a blind ready to hit, I wouldn't mind pushing all in with this and hoping that I either steal the blinds or get called down by a small-mid pocket pair. At worst you'll be a slight underdog. But in a limit tourney, I think you can wait for a better, non-trap hand here. | ||
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| Re: KQ in early position, noiseboy, 30. May 2003 09:15 | ||
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| I don't like to play KQ from early position, I might limp with it if it's suited, or if I'm getting short-stacked and the blinds are getting ugly, I'd probably raise coming in and commit to the hand. It's one of those hands you don't want to play up front, but sometimes desperation necessitates that you do. | ||
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