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 Growing popularity of poker, Bond18, 27. May 2003 18:33 | ||
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| Of course as well all know poker is a growing event. However some striking things have caught my attention recently. First of all the entrances in the WSOP were up by about 200 i beleive from the previous night. Second today on ESPN's sports talk show PTI (pardon the interruption) they talked about the WSOP and poker in general for the first time on the show. If poker continues at this rate of growth where do you see it in 5 to 10 years? | ||
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| Re: Growing popularity of poker, gary ford, 27. May 2003 20:19 | ||
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| on 27. May 2003 18:33 Bond18 wrote: > Of course as well all know poker is a growing event. However some striking > things have caught my attention recently. First of all the entrances in the WSOP > were up by about 200 i beleive from the previous night. Second today on ESPN's > sports talk show PTI (pardon the interruption) they talked about the WSOP and > poker in general for the first time on the show. If poker continues at this rate > of growth where do you see it in 5 to 10 years? That depends on whether the poker industry acts on this growing interest. Poker is very slow to change--many objected to the little camera showing the hole cards--the Card Player poll showed that was the feature most people enjoyed. In fact 83% said so. Nolan Dalla described this as "the sonic boom for poker" in the AP article about Moneymakers win.The convergence of online poker,WPT television coverage and amateurs winning the last 2 World Series, could, if managed correctly, create a whole new world of casino and cardroom poker. | ||
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| Re: Growing popularity of poker, flintsword, 27. May 2003 21:32 | ||
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| Popularity and regulation are going to come head-to-head soon. When it does, I hope the sport will have gotten enough muscle to stop the governments from gutting the game. flintsword | ||
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| Re: Growing popularity of poker, gary ford, 27. May 2003 23:48 | ||
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| many people said you would never have stud poker in california. those same people said las vegas would never allow casino gambling in california They were wrong. July is the World Poker Congress( sic) here in Las Vegas. Casino interests and poker interests need to join with the Indian casinos to supress any Internet regulation of poker.The leading legal expert is a professor at Whittier, California by the name of Nelson Rose. He writes columns called gambling and the law. All of us need to be prepared to support free poker without regulation. Poker is a game of skill and is not gambling by legal definition. | ||
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| Re: Growing popularity of poker, Paul Stine, 28. May 2003 07:22 | ||
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| on 27. May 2003 21:32 flintsword wrote: > Popularity and regulation are going to come head-to-head soon. When it does, I hope > the sport will have gotten enough muscle to stop the governments from gutting the > game. > > flintsword Please, explain what you mean by "gutting the game." Also, please explain what hand the 'government' would have in regulating poker that is doesn't already have in regard to other forms of gambling. Paul Stine College Station, TX | ||
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| Re: Growing popularity of poker, JunglingS, 28. May 2003 07:31 | ||
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| Part of the problem is the way poker is regarded in many places by the law. Keep in mind that this is not federally regulated, but left as a power of the states. In some states (Colorado for one), the law recognizes that poker is a game of skill and not chance. However, it is still banned except in a very few select communities. The problem is that the state has given communities the ability to choose whether or not they can allow the game, but legislated that $5 is the largest single bet that can possibly be made. So, although it is up to the specific city as to whether or not poker should be allowed, the state has "gutted" the game by setting a very specific, rather low limit that can be played. | ||
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| Re: Growing popularity of poker, gary ford, 28. May 2003 09:28 | ||
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| on 28. May 2003 07:22 Paul Stine wrote: > on 27. May 2003 21:32 flintsword wrote: > > Popularity and regulation are going to come head-to-head soon. When it does, I hope > > the sport will have gotten enough muscle to stop the governments from gutting the > > game. > > > > flintsword > > Please, explain what you mean by "gutting the game." > > Also, please explain what hand the 'government' would have in regulating poker that is > doesn't already have in regard to other forms of gambling. > > Paul Stine > College Station, TX paul-- refer to my post--also, i think he meant retarding its growth--Congress is struggling with how they will restrict gambling on the internet. The degree of restriction will depend on the actions of the "gambling industry". As you see, i dont accept poker as "gambling" That distinction was the cornerstone of enabling California to have draw poker but not what was referred to as "stud horse poker" until the 1990s. Accepting stud and hold'em created a boom in California poker, that will be duplicated if there is no resrictive legislation targeted at gambling in general that includes poker. > > | ||
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| Re: Growing popularity of poker, flintsword, 29. May 2003 09:31 | ||
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| Currently online poker is generally offshore and largely unregulated. More importantly, untaxed. I have a great deal of faith in any government's ability to devise ways to tax. Partypoker is sanctioned by some Indian reserve tucked away in Eastern Canada and operated off of a Caribbean island. Other sites are variations on the theme. I think it is a fairly good bet that in time, the revenue streams that are largely untaxed are going to attract some serious attention from both U.S.. and Canadian tax authorities. Can they do anything about it? Maybe not, but as the sport grows, those revenue streams will get larger. I also agree with you that "gut the game" is a little "over the top" ... in my short note. flintsword | ||
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| Re: Growing popularity of poker, gary ford, 29. May 2003 09:54 | ||
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| on 29. May 2003 09:31 flintsword wrote: > Currently online poker is generally offshore and largely unregulated. More importantly, > untaxed. I have a great deal of faith in any government's ability to devise ways to tax. > Partypoker is sanctioned by some Indian reserve tucked away in Eastern Canada and operated off > of a Caribbean island. Other sites are variations on the theme. I think it is a fairly good bet > that in time, the revenue streams that are largely untaxed are going to attract some serious > attention from both U.S.. and Canadian tax authorities. > > Can they do anything about it? Maybe not, but as the sport grows, those revenue streams will > get larger. > > I also agree with you that "gut the game" is a little "over the top" ... in my short note. The time to head off unfavorable legislation or initiate favorable treatment is early not late. The Morongo Band of Mission Indians broke ground yesterday on a $250 million expansion of their casino just out side Palm Springs, Ca. What is more important , however, is their poitical activism. They donated $ 800,00 to candidates and causes in California in the 2001-2002 election cycle. Ca. Gov. Gray Davis, has requested the California indian tribes, who pay no state and local taxes, contribute $1.5 Billion dollars to help with the enormous deficit the state faces. Now comes the kicker----in return he offered to increase the number of slots the casinos could have from a maximum of 2,000 to a maximum of 3,000. All the Indian casinos have poker rooms. Politics is politics and money is the mother's milk of politics. | ||
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| Re: Growing popularity of poker, stdioh, 29. May 2003 09:10 | ||
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| I see it where billiards is today. I see big name players on TSN one night a week and I see final tables with dress codes. I see sponsors kicking in cash to sweeten tournament pots and entirely sponsored freeroll tournaments that only "tour players" get to come to. In that respect, I could see it getting like golf. I envision casinos getting flooded with more and more wannabes, making the lowest limit giant aquariums and pushing the medium limits to more fishiness. I relish the day. | ||
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| Re: Growing popularity of poker, gary ford, 29. May 2003 09:31 | ||
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| on 29. May 2003 09:10 stdioh wrote: > I see it where billiards is today. I see big name players on TSN one night a week and > I see final tables with dress codes. I see sponsors kicking in cash to sweeten > tournament pots and entirely sponsored freeroll tournaments that only "tour players" > get to come to. In that respect, I could see it getting like golf. I envision casinos > getting flooded with more and more wannabes, making the lowest limit giant aquariums > and pushing the medium limits to more fishiness. I relish the day. Your vision is correct but billiards didnt really boom just gained respectablilty. The poker industry can make this happen--They are slowly catching on--commercials on last nights show included Luxor, onte Carlo, Party Poker and Gamblers General Store. The major poker casinos here and elsewhere around the country should buy up all the available commercial time and lead the way in corporate sponsorship. By the way, Bill Gates is an avid poker player--he usually plays 3-6 hold-em. | ||
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| Re: Growing popularity of poker, noiseboy, 29. May 2003 09:36 | ||
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| I heard Bill Gates also plays a bit of 4-8 stud. WTF, he might as well be playing penny ante!!!??? 300-600 would be low limit hold'em for that guy. | ||
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| Re: Growing popularity of poker, gary ford, 29. May 2003 09:58 | ||
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| on 29. May 2003 09:36 noiseboy wrote: > I heard Bill Gates also plays a bit of 4-8 stud. WTF, he might as well be playing penny > ante!!!??? 300-600 would be low limit hold'em for that guy. Wouldn't Microsoft be a great sponsor for WPT. A couple of their executives bought the Professional Bowlers Tour, at one time the longest running show on ABC sports. You listening Lyle Berman, et al??? | ||
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| Re: Growing popularity of poker, Andrew Wells, 29. May 2003 10:43 | ||
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| He's probably astute enough to realize that he isn't a good enough player to go higher. Undoubtedly it's not the money, but the competition he's interested in. | ||
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| Re: Growing popularity of poker, stdioh, 29. May 2003 13:48 | ||
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| It is a general rule that the more money you have, the lower limits you play. You'll see professional poker players with $40,000 on a table and it will be all the money they have in the world. Then you will see Gates muching cookies at the 3-6. He plays poker for fun and the chips are for keeping score. 3-6 games are a lot more fun than 300-600 games. Hell, even the 20-40 in my local casino is downright surly and somebody always belts off some foul language at the 30-60 in a given night. | ||
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