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 Does this make sense?, MozMan, 26. May 2003 11:01 | ||
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| OK, I normally play low-limit (3/6 at the casino and $5 sit/goes online). Over the last month or so, I have found it increasingly difficult to play these limits... always getting sucked out by lucky fish; forcing people to pay BIG odds for draws, only to have them catch their draws, constantly fighting with crazies who gamble BIG and aggressive when they have nothing, etc. etc. So lately, I've been trying my hand at slightly higher limits ($10 and $20 sit/goes and 4/8, 6/12 at the casino), hoping to get away from the jackals that play crazy; and I'm finding that I am doing better there. The players are more predictable, less likely to play trash, and I just generally feel more confident playing against them. Does this make any sense? Does it mean that it's time for me to move up for good, and leave the lowest limits behind? I consider myself a solid player, for my skill-level, but I'm sure there is still plenty of room for improvement and plently of experience still to come. I know that 4/8 and 6/12 is still peanuts for many of you, but at my casino, there is definitely a line between the 3/6 and 4/8 players... and it still feels like a step up to me. Just so we are clear, I have played a total of about 40 hours at these higher limits (ring and sit/goes combined) since I decided to try it out. I know that may not be enough to judge... if so, let me know. -Moz "Life is a dream. Live your dream, because we all wake up eventually." | ||
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| Re: Does this make sense?, Big_Slick, 26. May 2003 11:24 | ||
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| If you have the bankroll and the discipline, sometimes the game is easier if you move up a level or two. The arguement is "do I adjust my play to suit the table or do I adjust the table to suit my play." | ||
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| Re: Does this make sense?, MozMan, 26. May 2003 11:32 | ||
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| hmm... good way to look at it. I wonder if it would be better for me in the long run (in terms of skiill development) to try to force myself to adjust my play... or if it's wise to try playing both levels regularly... -Moz "Life is a dream. Live your dream, because we all wake up eventually." | ||
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| Re: Does this make sense?, Wren, 26. May 2003 12:08 | ||
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| "do I adjust my play to suit the table or do I adjust the table to suit my play" I like that one. Great question. I think most people would prefer to do the latter (I certainly would), but sometimes that's just not an option. I believe the truly great players can fair very well either way. | ||
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| Re: Does this make sense?, TKarrde, 27. May 2003 07:54 | ||
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| How about doing this. Play on the loose 25¢ table, the tight $1 table, and the Pot Limit Omaha 8b table all at the same time!! That is my prefered setup. I don't know why. And each take a different style to play. TK | ||
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| Re: Does this make sense?, stdioh, 27. May 2003 09:08 | ||
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| "do I adjust my play to suit the table or do I adjust the table to suit my play." That is a very astute observation Big. I think what table selection comes down to is that you first find the game that you can beat the best and when you're sitting then taylor yourself to beat it as well as you can. Your statement really sums it up nicely. | ||
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| Re: Does this make sense?, stdioh, 26. May 2003 12:06 | ||
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| You probably need to tweak your style if you want to play the biggest fish. If you're in a s'n'g with giant fish and get garbage cards you can still win. Those $5 UB sit'n'gos can now be beat by a good player more than 50% of the time for sure. If you can't money in half of them the problem is probably over agression. I know that a lot of my tournament strength comes in when I can make a big bet with a good hand and fold everybody out taking the pot then and there. In these tourneys you routiinely get players calling pot sized bets on silly draws. That means that you need to be willing to let go of your hand when a scary board comes even if it looks unlikely that a chaser would be there for it. You need to be able to have the best of it and not put your money in. For instance, if you've got T500 left and the blinds are 30-60, you've flopped top pair top kicker, bet strong, and got 3 callers. Lets say there is T200 or so left in your stack. You're pretty sure that you currently have the best hand and a brick hits the turn. Now you could shove your last 200 in, but you know that they are all coming along, so why do it? If you win this pot you'll have enough stack to outlast the biggest idiots and make the money. If you check, the worst that'll happen is that one of them makes a minimum bet of 60 and you can call this down. Then when a very non-scarey river comes you can call all in (but again it'll probably just be a minimum bet to you). It is about survival and not butting heads with the dumbbunnies. They will pay you off when you have something great so don't push too much with something just good. | ||
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| Don't forget the rake., BigDMcGee, 27. May 2003 07:09 | ||
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| The best reason to move up at those levels, is the rake is much bigger in porportion to the game. in a ten handed game, the drop takes about 120 dollars off the table an hour.. averaging 12 dollars a person. That's two big bets an hour verses one big bet when you're playing 3/6 verses 6/12. Overcoming two beats an hour drop is an incredible handicap. Now, I'm not sure what sit and goes you're playing, but on paradise, the five dollar games have a one dollar entry fee, as do the 10 dollar games... SO, basically, you're paying double the vig in the five dollar games, making them harder to beat. If your bankroll can afford it, I'd definatly recomend playing in the higher tourniments and cash games.. | ||
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| Re: Don't forget the rake., TKarrde, 27. May 2003 07:56 | ||
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| Haven't played at the big talbes much (okay... at all). But isn't there usually a cap on the rake. And you probably hit that cap easier at the higher limits so the rake probably averages less as a % of the pot at the higher limits. Is that a correct assumption? TK | ||
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| Re: Don't forget the rake., BigDMcGee, 27. May 2003 08:11 | ||
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| Every place I've heard of caps the rake at three chips ( and a fourth one if there's a jackpot) I've never heard of it being more.. I play near seattle, and the 3/6 games have the same rake as the 15/30 games.. three dollars out of each pot... but the 3 dollars is a much smaller porportion to the pots you're getting.. | ||
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| Re: Don't forget the rake., stdioh, 27. May 2003 09:06 | ||
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| UB used to rake $1 off of $5 sit'n'gos, but now it is $0.50 ... everything is commensurate. The only thing they do badly is rake $5 off of a $50 s'n'g ... IMHO, they should reduce that to encourage more people into the bigger games and thus make more money for themselves. | ||
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