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 Help with a hand, Schuster, 25. May 2003 23:33 | ||
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| I'm in the big blind with 4 10 offsuit and a loose passive 1/2 game. 6 players, myself included, saw the flop. Flop was Q 10 4 rainbow Nifty! I check, and early position bets. One MP player and one LP player call, and I raise. The EP, MP, and LP all call. The turn is a 5. I bet out, and EP raises. MP and LP both fold. Now I'm not feeling so confident about my hand. Do I fold here? I was trying to figure what she might have. Q 10 or Q 5? Who knows, maybe. A set? Possibly. I had a sinking feeling, but I paid the bet. The river was a 7. I checked and called, turns out she had 55. Gah! Sometimes you eat the bar, and sometimes it eats you I guess. So what, if anything, did I do wrong? Should I have just folded the turn? Bottom 2 pair when faced with a raise probably isn't going to hold. The more I think about it, the more I think I should have folded. Should I pay it off here just so people don't go raising me on the turn and trying to take pots from me? Lee | ||
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| Re: Help with a hand, balik, 25. May 2003 23:55 | ||
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| If the player your refering to was a tight aggressive player that fact that she raised on the turn tells me she could at least beat a pair of Queens. So I figure her for two pair at least one being Queens. Knowing I couldn't have beat it, I would have mucked it. It's possible she was playing Queens with a nice kicker like and A or K, but I would have expected her to be a little more aggressive pre-flop. When I'm at the turn I want to be on a flush or straight draw with good pot odds, or feel fairly confident that I have the strongest hand. If not I'm gone and don't give it a moments notice if it turns out I was fooled. May all your cards be Aces. | ||
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| Re: Help with a hand, mongi, 26. May 2003 00:09 | ||
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| on 25. May 2003 23:33 Schuster wrote: > I'm in the big blind with 4 10 offsuit and a loose passive 1/2 game. 6 players, > myself included, saw the flop. Flop was > > Q 10 4 rainbow > > Nifty! I check, and early position bets. One MP player and one LP player > call, and I raise. The EP, MP, and LP all call. The turn is a 5. I bet out, > and EP raises. MP and LP both fold. Now I'm not feeling so confident about my > hand. Do I fold here? I was trying to figure what she might have. Q 10 or Q > 5? Who knows, maybe. A set? Possibly. I had a sinking feeling, but I paid > the bet. The river was a 7. I checked and called, turns out she had 55. Gah! > Sometimes you eat the bar, and sometimes it eats you I guess. > > So what, if anything, did I do wrong? Should I have just folded the turn? > Bottom 2 pair when faced with a raise probably isn't going to hold. The more I > think about it, the more I think I should have folded. Should I pay it off here > just so people don't go raising me on the turn and trying to take pots from > me? > > Lee I believe that you should have just bet the flop instead of check-raising. Betting hopefully will get out people with gutshots, considering there is two parts to a straight on board. It also should get people out who have small pairs i.e. pocket fives, with the two overcards on the flop. However, in a low limit game like this people may very well stick around to see the turn. I would have folded after being raised on the turn, assuming the EP is not a highly deceptive player who might semibluff after picking up a flush draw on the turn along with their pair for example.This is not as likely in a low limit game. Also considering that this is a passive table this aggression should indicate that your bottom two pair may not be good. If you determine your hand is beat then you are an 11-1 underdog to improve to a full house, but the pot would only be giving you about 9-1 odds. I am not saying you should always fold in this situation but more often than not you are beat. Another thing, when you check raised the flop you showed alot of strengh, yet you were still raised on the turn. good luck! | ||
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| Re: Help with a hand, Andrew Wells, 26. May 2003 02:10 | ||
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| After your checkraise on the flop, any aggression on the turn from another player in an ordinarily passive game says you are beat. There's no straight or flush draw that could have got there on the turn, and your two pair includes the low card on board. It's having the four as a pair that's the real killer. You are probably down to two outs if not drawing dead. I don't think you're going to find someone raising on the turn that picked up a flush draw to go with top pair in a 1-2 game often enough (if at all) to justify calling this hand down. About all you can beat is 54s, and even that hand may have just called your bet on the turn. If I had to pick a hand, I'd say you were looking at QT. | ||
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