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 poker puzzle, balik, 23. May 2003 23:17 | ||
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| I'm new at online poker. I have played in 15 tournaments ranging from $5 to $30 buy in. No limit and limit. Of those fifteen I have finished: 1st -1 2nd-3 3rd-6 4th - 2 5th or worse - 3 Pretty good record I think. Now here's my puzzle. I stink at ring games. I play these tournaments I do well, I go to the tables and I lose. Not all time, but more than I win. My friend tells me it's because in the tournament you can wait for all the maniacs to tear each other up while you take a pot here and there in the early rounds. Once they eliminate each other then the remaining players play solid poker. While at the tables once a maniac has lost his money, or gets tired, and leaves the table, another one takes his place, or worse a good player leaves and a maniac takes his place. More than that I think it's because most players don't sit in on an online game long enough for me to figure out if they are maniacs or solid players with solid hands. Once I do they disappear and here comes the next guy, same seat totally different style. Has anyone else experienced this, and what's the best way to deal with it. | ||
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| Re: poker puzzle, flintsword, 24. May 2003 08:04 | ||
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| Perhaps the fact that you wait for the maniacs to tear themselves to bits in tournaments actually allows you to better understand the remaining players. Try watching a ring game for a while BEFORE you sit and play. That might help you. Nice tournament results, and good luck. flintsword | ||
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| Tournies vs. Ring, Banning, 25. May 2003 01:28 | ||
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| I might add that there are quite a few pro tournament players that win alot of tournaments but are not very good at ring games. Not very many pros are pros at both. That is just something I've read many times from other informed sources...not my own experience. In fact Some so called "pro tourny" players are actually considered fish in a ring game and their action is heavily sought after. Just out of curiosity does anybody know who these so called guys are? I read that statement a few times and it seems somewhat odd to me. I imagine that those pro tourny players would still be able to tear up a table at a 3/6 table. Just curious. Thanks. | ||
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| Re: Tournies vs. Ring, BigDMcGee, 25. May 2003 05:26 | ||
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| Well, I don't know which tourney pros are which, but I know they are NOT playing in 3/6 games, but rather big limit and pot limit games, which is why their action is so sought after. You think the ego on guys like Hellmuth would let them play 3/6? | ||
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| Re: Tournies vs. Ring, 4 POKER, 25. May 2003 14:57 | ||
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| Phil Ivey is both a professional ring game poker player and is also a pro at tournaments. When he first started he was not even of legal age and used to go by a different name; (one that matched his phony driver's license)! He started around the $15-30 level and within one or two years, he was playing at the very high limits. He has been playing professionally for years now and continues to play only at the high limits and is also very successful in tournaments. Daniel Negreanu, though I don't know him personally, also is a professional poker player and tournament player. Daniel has admitted to having drinking problems that led him to self destruction at the poker tables and eventually he went broke; but he has overcomed his adversity and is on the right track again.(Amen). I'm sure there are other professional ring/tournament players out there (Kathy libert ,etc.) but I will say this- I have witnessed some of the very best tournament players in the world play absolutely horrifically in the ring games. I don't know exactly why that is but it was quite a let down to see someone who I respect and who is well-known to be at a total loss in a "live" game. I've seen them play while they were drunk out of their minds and was in this "state" every single time they were playing. They would travel to the big tournament at the Taj Mahal in Atlantic City, play in the tournaments- be completely focused and then when they were found playing in the ring games they would get so drunk you couldn't even understand what they were saying. (This would continue for weeks and it happened every single year there was a tournament there). To have fun and let loose once in awhile is one thing, but to risk every single penny you have earned in a tournament by playing wrecklessly in a very high limit ring game is not IMO, "professional" at all. These players,(one's who are respected and admired) are given great notority in magazines and other sources of info, and I'm sorry... I just don't get it. How can a person who has a talent just blow it all away. I guess some people just don't have any regard or respect for money... It's a real shame. Most players are just not capable of being able to switch over from tournament play to ring game play. Either they don't have the true discipline to grind it out or they simply are not willing to adjust, (I don't know), but I do believe that a "professional ring game player" would still have a better shot at being able to adjust to a tournament as it would be for a "pro tournament player" to adjust to playing in ring games,(it's just what I have witnessed from both sides). 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Tournies vs. Ring, Andrew Wells, 26. May 2003 04:28 | ||
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| I suppose they never had to grind their way for years at 5-10 or 10-20. I know that gave me the proper perspective to treat my bankroll with respect. | ||
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| Re: Tournies vs. Ring, TKarrde, 28. May 2003 06:08 | ||
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| Speaking of your boy Ivey! He did great at the final event. Bad break. Have you got me an autograph yet? ;) | ||
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| Re: poker puzzle, stdioh, 26. May 2003 08:06 | ||
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| Comparing tournaments to ring games is like comparing apples to volkswagans. They are different games that take different skill sets, mentality, and ability. My tourneys are a lot stronger than my ring games because my reads are usually pretty decent (which is a much greater asset in NL than in limit) and because I am good at knowing when I can move somebody off of a substantial pot. So don't be too mystified if you are better at one than the other. Players who are truely great at both are few and far between. | ||
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