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 Defending Against a Set, Big_Slick, 21. May 2003 22:10 | ||
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| This might be a stupid question, but how do you defend against 3-of-a-kind? It seems that I'm getting rocked lately by people flopping a set when I have A-A or K-K. What sort of clues do you look for (short of a huge re-raise)? What is your thought process? Every time I think my opponent is just playing stupid, he smooth calls me with 2-2-2 and takes down a nice pot. Any ideas or comments are appreciated. | ||
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| Re: Defending Against a Set, shorn, 22. May 2003 05:15 | ||
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| This is a toughie, especially when you have AA or KK and you flop the overpair. What I try to do is work backwards after play goes something like this: I raise (or re-raise) preflop, get called, flop comes T62 rainbow, I bet, get smooth-called by two opponents. Turn comes Q, I think "Good card" so I bet, one caller folds, second guy raises. Uh oh...what could he/she have after I have shown so much strength? Now the board and the opponent becomes important: Could he/she have called my raise with QT? If that was the hand, why wasn't I raised on the flop. Could it be AT? OK maybe. Are there any other draws out there? Not likely with that board. How well do Iknow this player? Smells like a set? Even after going through all of this, it is a really tough fold to make there. Usually (assuming the board isn't too scary), you have to call the turn and check/call the river unless something else comes that puts your hand in jeopardy (like you hold KK and the river is the A). Bottom line...this is one of those hands that is tough to let go of so you need to save a bet or two by not re-raising the turn and check/calling or check/folding the river (if it appears that top pair has no chance now). | ||
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| Re: Defending Against a Set, Risky Business, 22. May 2003 06:52 | ||
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| I'm very cautious about overthinking this. I think you're just screwed in this instance. If you start to give everyone a set each time you have an overpair, you'll lose a ton of money throwing away positive expectations. Sure, there are times you'll lay down a big hand when the board pairs, hits a straight, or a flush, but not with rags out there. If you don't know your opponents, which we have to admit about on-line play (and even new tables at the B&M), then we're just in a situation where it's time to pay the guy who holds pocket 3's and get his miracle card. Be true to your game!! | ||
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| Re: Defending Against a Set, shorn, 22. May 2003 09:24 | ||
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| I agree and don't want to suggest that you should lay it down unless the board is really scary. However, you have to respect someone raising your turn bet after you have showed strength and think this is a good time to just call and check/call the river. Again, board texture is very important to determine what else (and not a set) could your opponent be raising with. If the turn completes a hand (str8 or flush), then you have other decisions to make. I hope I didn't indicate that you should fold the overpair too often because that is certainly not what I wanted to advocate. But, if you can save a bet on a losing overpair, then that is 1 more hour's worth of income at the end of the day. | ||
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| Re: Defending Against a Set, stdioh, 22. May 2003 08:28 | ||
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| This is just one of the possible outcomes of holding an overpair. If your opponent is smart then there isn't much you can do. If your opponent is dumb then there still isn't much you can do. You're going to lose a lot of money on this hand or you're going to not make enough when you have an overpair that is good. Obviously you're going to be the best hand with your overpair a lot more often than it'll come up against a set. You just have to swallow hard and take your lumps when this happens. And work on your reads to save you a bet or two here or there when you can be sure that your overpair is not good. BTW, did you see the way that Chip Jett busted out of WSOP? Jet: KK ... Waters: 55 Flop: K52 All in for a $140,000 pot. River is the case 5. | ||
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| Re: Defending Against a Set, noiseboy, 22. May 2003 13:22 | ||
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| Ouch! Now that is a bad beat! I saw one last night where this good player is playing real aggressive, as he flopped a set, the flop was K8x. They got all the money in on the flop, good player turns over 88's and the other guy turns KQ, the guy catches two running K's for the full boat. Unfortunately, I didn't really hold any cards last night and busted out at the last three tables. Only held a big pair once from the BB and everyone folded so I just got the SB. | ||
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