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 Playing [55]5 in stud8, stdioh, 20. May 2003 10:24 | ||
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| I like starting with rolled up 5's in stud8 and it is by far my favourite starting hand. I want to discuss it a little for the benefit of anybody who is relatively new to stud8, but knows how to play stud-hi. If you start with [AA]A it is undeniably a great hand...better than any rolled up trips and you even have an unlikely shot at hitting a low. Here's what I like about [55]5 though. In high low, it is very common to have chasers drawing to a low and a straight. Start out with [34]6 with all the 5's live and you're going to want to see another card. Now catch a 2 and you're married to the hand. The nice thing about having 55[5] is that you completely cripple low hands' chances of making a straight and scooping. So if your [55]5 goes unimproved, there are much smaller chances of it being beaten by a straight than if [AA]A goes unimproved. In stud hi, this isn't a concern as nobody will sit around chasing gutshots if they know what is good for them, but people with made lows are more than happy to freeroll their straight draws and thus it is important to cripple them. By the same token, hands like [44]55 have a lot of value. Chances of making a low with them are very small and chances of them holding up unimproved are very small, but you are taking outs away from low chasers who will pay you off because they are looking for a 4 to make their straight (and aren't worried about pairing their miracle 5) while gunning for a low. In loose stud8 games it is common to have three players with three low cards on board, all of them drawing only to a low, not realizing how badly their are counterfeited and assuming that if they make their 8-low it will stand up...even though it'll only get them half the pot if it does. In cases like this, taking away even more of their outs hurts them badly, and when you have [44]55 you can jam a lot of money in there in hopes of folding off highs that can improve to much better 2 pairs very easily and isolating the dead low money. Thus, there is a class of hi-lo hand which is often not addressed and that is the disruptive hand. AAAKK is a wonderful hand for hi and for hi-low. You are pretty much guaranteed half the pot. AAA55 is that much better because you mitigate the chances of a low existing. Thus I would much rather be drawing to [55]AA than to [KK]AA as counterintuitive as that may sound. Likewise, if I think my aces up is good, I'd rather have [AA]55 and be jamming it against naked kings to rope in the lows than to have [JQ]QQ and be doing the same. Yes, your trips are a monster here and if you've got a good read on the naked kings having only 2 pair then you are happy as a clam, but if you've still got that read then your aces up beat him just as roundly and while you have fewer chances to tighten up, you have a much better chance of scooping with [AA]55 because you are taking 4 outs away from hands that each take 4 outs from eachother. So to make a long story short, anybody who claims that [KK]K is a better than than [55]5 in stud8 needs to think about the aspect of a full table in the game and not just chance of winning a pot. When the good players at the table realize the value in blocking hands and use it, then you end up with more blocking of the low by the high and can really punish the low-chasing fish maximally. And the poorer you can make others play, the better you will do. | ||
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| Re: Playing [55]5 in stud8, Jav, 20. May 2003 11:21 | ||
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| As a person who had my KKK's eaten up by a 2-6 straight this weekend I wholeheartedly agree!! | ||
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