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 Men the Master in LA Weekly, NiceFella, 17. May 2003 19:20 | ||
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| Found a very interesting article about Men the Master in the current LA Weekly: http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/26/features-kaplan.php | ||
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| Re: Men the Master in LA Weekly, Big_Slick, 18. May 2003 08:27 | ||
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| Very cool article. What I found interesting is that Men said he doesn't advocate collusion since cheating is against his religion. Yet, the article talks about the woman he had a child with and other women he's dated since coming to America. All this while his wife sat waiting for him back in Vietnam. I guess Buddha doesn't mind if you cheat on your wife. Also, what a bonehead that white guy was! Here is Men, offering him a lifetime skill with tremendous earning potential.. all for just 5% of all future earning. Sounds like a bargain to me. Unbelievable. | ||
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| Re: Men the Master in LA Weekly, noiseboy, 19. May 2003 14:51 | ||
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| Or, if you want to really learn to play loose aggressive No Limit style, you could just buy Super System for a lot less than "5% of lifetime earnings." Were you being sarcastic? I couldn't really tell. | ||
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| Re: Men the Master in LA Weekly, Big_Slick, 19. May 2003 19:51 | ||
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| Usually I am being sarcastic.. but not this time. Here is a bonafide winner... one of the best players in the world. And here is this guy who thinks 5% is too much? I would just consider that juice and thank him for his generosity. Men teaches you everything he knows for a measly $5,000 for every $100,000 you make in a year? This is a no-brainer. I'd take him up on that in a nanosecond. | ||
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| Re: Men the Master in LA Weekly, MozMan, 19. May 2003 20:22 | ||
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| I am with you. My Master's degree will cost about $60k, and IF I ever get to $100k/year in salary, it would take me 60 years to make that equal $5k for every $100/k. I'm already 36, so I don't think that will happen... :) | ||
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| Re: Men the Master in LA Weekly, noiseboy, 20. May 2003 13:49 | ||
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| My only problem is that the 5% is for life. I mean, there will be a time when like Darth Vader you will be "When we last met, I was the student, but now I AM THE MASTER!" A point when you transcend what others have taught you and develop your own unique style of play that fits your personality and works for you. The thing is, he can definitely help you get up to expert status by teaching you what he knows, however, there are certain things that make him the winner he is that probably cannot be taught and just have to be learned by gobs of experience. An example would be having the feel to know when to make a move at the pot without a decent starting hand, everybody knows that you have to do this to stay alive when the blinds get really high, but the question of WHEN has a lot to do with intuition, which I don't think Men can teach you. In addition, his reckless style of play works for him, but I'm not sure everyone has the stomach to play like Hellmuth or Nguyen. Jim Mcmanus placed 5th or 6th in his first WSOP just by reading "Theory of Poker", "Super System" and Cloutier and McEvoy's "Championship PL and NL Hold'em" over and over, along with a steady diet of online play and TTH simulations. He did this with a somewhat tighter style of play then Nguyen would use, so I think there are different styles that work for different people. I don't know, maybe he can intuition and courage, but I'm not really sure. Also, I think that most of what you need to know to reach expert status in tourneys can be found in Cloutier and Brunson's writings, among others at a much lower one-time cost. I think if you really wanted to get lessons, there are other awesome players that give lessons, that might charge by the hour, rather than lifetime percentage, I think either Cloutier or McEvoy mentions having students in one of their books. | ||
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| Re: Men the Master in LA Weekly, stdioh, 20. May 2003 15:46 | ||
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| The real issue is that even a blind squirrel finds the odd acorn. If you are a bad bad poker player and play tourney after tourney, you win some and 5% of that goes to Men even if you are getting your ass handed to you. If you are great then you win more money than you buy in for and 5% of that goes to Men. All he would have to care about is giving you confidence to play a lot...not helping you to be a winning tourney pro. Now Men is a great player, but consesus is that he is a total shit and a giant (for lack of a better term) racist, who couldn't give a rat's ass about anybody not from Viet Nam. I may not know much, but I know enough that when somebody doesn't like my kind, I'm not getting involved with them, period. | ||
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| Re: Men the Master in LA Weekly, stdioh, 20. May 2003 15:43 | ||
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| 5% of your winnings is all of your profit. Tournament pros buy in to a lot of tourneys and win only a few. | ||
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| Re: Men the Master in LA Weekly, flintsword, 18. May 2003 14:52 | ||
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| Thank you, Nicefella, for sharing this article with the forum. It was a blast and fairly balanced with the good, the bad, and the ugly with respect to "Men the Master", who by the way bagged the $5,000 buy-in 7 Card Stud event at the WSOP last Wednesday. He bagged the bracelet (his 5th), beat out 96 other players, and $178,560. Apparently he has not won a WSOP bracelet since 1996 (!!), so this was a welcome win. flintsword | ||
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| Re: Men the Master in LA Weekly, tommyhawk, 19. May 2003 04:04 | ||
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| Any more of these great articles? Thank you for sharing. tommyhawk. | ||
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| Re: Men the Master in LA Weekly, Risky Business, 20. May 2003 14:53 | ||
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| Remember, a teacher also benefits from teaching. It makes him think in a different frame of mind, which expands his thought process and opens his decisions up to an outsider, which, unless he's bipolar, doesn't happen much. That being said, what a load of crap. I agree that somewhere down the road the return on anyone's teachings is 0%, as he would have developed his own style in a few years at most, depending on volume of play. Finally, did Men have a leash on this guy? "Here Men, I haven't seen you in a while, but I played in a game 4 months ago after moving back East and won 10000, so here's your 500 bucks. Try not to mix that up with the 178K you just won." | ||
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| Re: Men the Master in LA Weekly, stdioh, 20. May 2003 15:47 | ||
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| A guy like Men is somebody that you don't welch on...he'll have you killed. That's why he'll make a deal like that and why one shouldn't deal with such a guy. | ||
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| Re: Men the Master in LA Weekly, shorn, 21. May 2003 09:52 | ||
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| Dude, you have some serious thoughts on Men. Is there some history there or have you just heard rumors? | ||
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