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 Thoughts about raising in the BB..., Big_Slick, 15. May 2003 21:43 | ||
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| There are obvious disadvantages related to position. Would love to hear some of your thoughts and strategies. | ||
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| Re: Thoughts about raising in the BB..., Player X, 16. May 2003 00:16 | ||
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| Notice what you yourself said..."...disadvantages related to position" You should be more inclined to raise with hands when facing opponents who don't make good use of their position. And hands that play better out of position than those that don't, like 88 as opposed to J10suited. Raising out of the Big Blind is not as useful as in other positions, because the ability to keep players from coming in no longer exists, but building the pot size with premium hands or premium situations is as valid as ever. -X Writer www.pokerev.com | ||
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| Re: Thoughts about raising in the BB..., SKinner, 16. May 2003 05:30 | ||
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| I don't like to raise from the BB, even with major strength. In low limit games, I'm not going to fold anybody. I might raise for value at times, but more often than not, I like to hide the strength of my hand. In the low-limit games I play in (very low, am a newbie, sort of), I'll only raise if I think people may fold to the raise, unless I'm holding KK or AA. Just one style of play. Constructive criticism welcome. –SKinner | ||
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| Re: Thoughts about raising in the BB..., Easy E, 16. May 2003 08:41 | ||
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| Depends on the situation. Overall, I don't want to just raise with the big 2 (or big 3).... and I wouldn't raise with them everytime. Therefore, raise sometimes with middle pairs and big draw combonations when many players are in (ESPECIALLY if it's a passive game) If someone was attacking the blinds, i'd reraise with more hands than normal. If fold to cutoff/button, then I might raise some of the stronger hands, since their hands probably aren't strong (or they would have raised). | ||
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| Re: Thoughts about raising in the BB..., stdioh, 16. May 2003 09:46 | ||
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| If there are an aweful lot of limpers, I like to raise in the BB with suited connectors...adding the deception can be really nice when your opponents put you on a big pair and you make a monster. You have equity to add money to the pot here, but mostly you're camouflaging your BBness. As for a small field, all raising does is add money, it doesn't thin the field at all and you are grossly out of position. Thus the only hands I would raise from the BB with few limpers are AA, KK, QQ, and AK. AQ suited - maybe once in a while to mix things up. JJ is pretty much terrible to raise with here, since if you get a garbagey flop and hit your overpair, you'll want to checkraise with it to knock out as many overcard chasers as you can. | ||
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| Re: Thoughts about raising in the BB..., noiseboy, 16. May 2003 10:11 | ||
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| Good advice, I only usually raise with premium hands out of the blinds unless there are a lot of limpers. One nice thing is you start to build the pot, since you can't drive people out, but people tend to put you on something good, so if the flop comes to your liking, they have to take it pretty serious when you bet or checkraise on the flop. THEN you will drive some players out. I also like the deception of sometimes raising with marginal hands out of the blinds, but definitely need some limpers like you said. | ||
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| Re: Thoughts about raising in the BB..., shorn, 19. May 2003 06:02 | ||
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| I agree with stdioh here. It depends on how many players are in relative to how my hand will play in a certain field. I often will use a reverse strategy in the BB, raising with suited connectors but just calling with AA and KK and then potentially going for a checkraise on the flop. If you raise out of the BB everyone puts you on AQ or better, so best to do it when you have something different and when the filed works for that hand (7 limpers with JTs). | ||
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| Re: Thoughts about raising in the BB..., MozMan, 16. May 2003 11:47 | ||
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| One thing to keep in mind about BB is that you have a distinct advantage BEFORE the flop ONLY. If you can do anything to carry some of that advantage after the flop, then it's probably worth doing: If I have a big pair, and I'm not raised, I will often simply check to hide my strength and give the appearance of taking a free look. Conversely, if there is a raise ahead of me, I will reraise. If most of the table has folder, and a late position player raises, he might be trying to steal the blinds; I see my choices as reraise or fold, depending on my hand and the player doing the raising. And, I do take a free look at the flop whenever possible (I have trash, there's a bunch of limpers and no raise) and usually fold to a bet on the flop when I missed it. | ||
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| Re: Thoughts about raising in the BB..., JunglingS, 19. May 2003 10:24 | ||
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| I have to agree with MozMan a bit here. One play I like (dare I say LOVE) is to check the BB with AA, and when the flop rags, or an A hits, check it like I just saw the flop for free and am just looking for an excuse to fold out now. This is what I consider to be one of my most ideal check-raise situations, and of course it works with KK as well. Not only does this help build a pot and narrow the field for me while making the most out of my disadvantageous position, but it makes some players nervous whenever I check my option, and then check on the flop. What fun!! | ||
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| Re: Thoughts about raising in the BB..., TKarrde, 19. May 2003 11:10 | ||
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| I think it makes a difference between limit and no limit but... How about this one. Playing 25¢ No Limit Hold 'Em. Get KK in the BB. Normally I like to raise to kick out the blinds, but since I am one of them I might just let this one go. Someone else raises before it gets to me and I just call. Flop hits a K. Do I check? I didn't. I raise $5. I feel this is small enough to maybe get someone to call, yet large enough to make me some money. Then to my shock (and surprise) two-off-the-button goes all-in. And then the button follows. The flopped set holds up and I rake a $111 pot. Not bad for playing for quarters. I never did see the first player's cards (could that be right? he went all-in first) but the button had a pair of Kings. But in No Limit I never like to raise with a strong hand. Hate to give away too much information. TK | ||
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| Re: Thoughts about raising in the BB..., shorn, 19. May 2003 11:52 | ||
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| Be careful and "never say never". This hand turned out beautifully (I would guess the other guy was on AA or a smaller set?), but if there is any $$ to be won preflop (or too many limpers), you should raise to try and win it or to try and limit the field. If everyone comes along, then you are probably still getting the best of it and hopefully it holds up. But, to never raise preflop from the BB in NL is most likely a mistake. | ||
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| Re: Thoughts about raising in the BB..., TKarrde, 19. May 2003 12:09 | ||
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| Now I didn't say that I never raise. I just said I never like to. But actually when (if) I get a good chip lead I get very aggressive on raising pre-flop. It's funny what all you can win with aggression alone. But of course I have to fold a lot of those hands too. I've actually never read anything on how to play No Limit but have done very well in Sit and Gos and done decent in tournaments. But early in a tournemant I'm happy to just sit back on good cards. Seems to be the best way to jump ahead early on. | ||
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| Re: Thoughts about raising in the BB..., shorn, 19. May 2003 12:18 | ||
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| Sorry...I was referring to ring game play and not tournament play. My mistake. Definitely early in a tournament it is better to slowplay big pairsd out of the blind because you would love to trap someone for their whole stack to build your's (the KK hand is a great example of that). And, if an Ace flops you can get away from the hand cheaply if need be. As with all things, I think a healthy balance is a good way to go. | ||
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| Re: Thoughts about raising in the BB..., Andrew Wells, 19. May 2003 21:59 | ||
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| Raise just often enough so they don't know for sure you have AA KK or AKs. This might mean occasionally throwing in a raise with a hand like T9s, but don't over do this. Once or twice an eight hour session is occasional enough. Most of the early position premium hands I'd rather be disguised seeing the flop, and if possible allowing me to checkraise. | ||
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