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 Hold'em Tournament situation, Mark, 15. May 2003 15:18 | ||
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| I just got busted in a tounament and would like to know what everyone else would do. I'm on the button with about T1800. There are 16 players left and the top 10 get paid (only the top 6 get anything worthwhile). the blinds are T150, T300 and the limits are 300, 600. I just moved to this table a couple of hands ago, so i don't have good reads on the players. I get 77 and everyone folds to me. The SB is the tournament leader with about T6000 and has been playing alot of hands lately. The BB is medium stacked and playing tight. Should I raise? Well, i raised and got re raised by the SB (tournament leader). Should i call? I called, called the flop, bet the turn and checked the river down. He had JJ. I played the rest of the hand terribly, and deserved to lose. I didn't go bust on that hand but was too short stacked because of it. Thanks mark | ||
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| Re: Hold'em Tournament situation, noiseboy, 15. May 2003 15:47 | ||
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| Well that's kinda tough, you should definitely raise if you are coming in because the goal is to get the blinds outright or to get heads up with the BB. It's basically a semisteal, you prefer if they just fold, but if not at least you have something reasonable. When the small blind reraises, that should send a red flag, you have to put him on a hand of some sort because people are much less likely to come back firing without something pretty good out of the small blind. In the big blind, it's much more likely that someone might put you on a steal and try for the resteal. I think you were right to call the reraise since you already had two bets in there, but if the flop comes with any scary overcards, I think you might have to fold, and then hope to get one more decent hand to go all in with. Since you are getting fairly close to the money, it could be argued that you might want to just muck the sevens if the blinds are frequent defenders, because you will get overcards more often than not on the flop with the 77's and then you are in a very precarious situation of maybe having the best hand but having no way to know exactly whether you do or not. It depends somewhat on the players, against a passive player in the BB I would fire out with those for certain. | ||
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| Re: Hold'em Tournament situation, Big_Slick, 15. May 2003 15:59 | ||
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| I would have called and folded on the flop if I didn't catch a set. | ||
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| Re: Hold'em Tournament situation, stdioh, 16. May 2003 10:09 | ||
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| Yes, you should raise. With your pocket 7's the best outcome is that you steal the blinds, however if you do get a caller, your hand is looking good. But, it is hard to play medium pairs and your stack is in danger. Now when you raise, it looks like a steal, so your opponent will try to resteal with any decent hand. You could have him dominated or he you or it could be a coinflip. In this case I would want to 4-bet. The reason is that if he calls your 4-bet then you can probably bet out on any flop and not have to worry about him raising and then you can probably check the hand down from there without him giving action unless he has a monster - in which case you can fold with a clear conscience and some chips left. If you just call his reraise it looks like you've got a pretty weak hand and he'll try to walk over you. You don't want him playing agressively against your hand since you don't know where you stand. Thus, I would reraise there and if he 5-bet, I would call and hope to flop a set. No set, then I'm out. If he calls the 4-bet then I bet the flop and fold to a raise. If he calls the flop then I check the turn and river, folding to a turn bet and calling a river bet. | ||
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| Re: Hold'em Tournament situation, shorn, 19. May 2003 06:11 | ||
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| I fold here due to the size of the stack that you are facing. Since everyone else has folded to you, then it is likely the SB or BB have something worthwhile. Also, as the SB is the big stack, you are likely playing for 2 bets with your 77 as he will raise to get the BB out. Maybe I am too conservative, but I think you wait for a better situation since you still have enough to cover 3 more rounds. | ||
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| Re: Hold'em Tournament situation, Mark, 25. May 2003 09:16 | ||
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| Stdioh, The fish may not have been as bad as you think. With chip lead in No limit, it can be very easy to run over an entire table if the conditions are right. I know this because i play "like" the fish and won an online no limit event last night. I really believe in Brunson's Super System for no limit hold'em. I bet at tons of pots against tight opponents. maybe as much as 60% of the flops i see, i bet at. If i'm up against tight or weak opponenets i'll bet every flop. I appear to be a fish or crazy player, but people keep giving the pots away. The basic philosophy is by constantly betting, people never know what you hold. When i constantly bet i pick up alot of small pots. If some one check raises me, which they'll do with a good hand, i have two options. 1.) fold if i'm playing garbage, 2.)raise my opponent all-in when i have something. When i'm the stack leader i will "advertise" (play complete garbage) against a short stack that can't hurt me even if i lose. That's when i play 95 off for a raise. I'm sure i have lots of opponents who sound like you, thinking i'm a big fish that got lucky. The key is that when ever i have a hand, any opponent of mine will be looking at an all-in raise if he bets/raises my usual constant pot size bets. I bust alot of people who get frustrated and start trying to take shots at me. The only things you can do is slow play a big hand, but then you are giving free cards. This won't get you too many chips. The other thing to do is to raise all-in with a good hand. However, expect to be called. When i have a large stack, I call short stack all-ins alot. Even if i don't have that strong a hand. I probably just stole alot of chips and don't mind giving them back. just something to watch out for mark | ||
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