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 Think I messed this up?, noiseboy, 15. May 2003 14:38 | ||
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| Ok so it was down to the last two tables at a limit hold'em tournament and I am a medium to smallish stack. My image is getting to be a bit too tight because I haven't had any hands to play for quite some time. Anyway, I look down and see 76s and decide that I should limp from early position, even though I normally don't do that. An aggressive player behind me raises, the big blind and I both call. I didn't really want to call a raise, but this guy had been raising over half the pots, so I couldn't put him on a monster necessarily, although he had been showing down good hands. The flop comes 589 with the 89 being in my suit giving me a straight AND a straight flush draw. Anyway, somehow I was so happy to have the straight flush cards that I neglected to notice that I already had a straight. Dumb, I know. The big blind bets into me, and I stupidly raise as a semibluff (or so I thought!), knocking out the player behind me who might have raised or at least called if I hadn't raised. On the turn came a rag, the BB checked to me and I bet folding him out too. My question is since I had both the other players on big cards or pairs, would a smooth call have been in order on the flop so that I could go for more callers and then raise on the turn? There is a slight chance one of my opponents could have made a higher straight if a ten fell on the turn; however, I still have the straight flush draw for some outs. I even still have a couple of outs if someone hits the nut flush or some other higher flush which might make me the str8 flush. Anyway, I was just left with the feeling that I could have milked that one a bit more and had more chips at the final table. Thanks in advance for any input. | ||
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| Re: Think I messed this up?, stdioh, 15. May 2003 14:49 | ||
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| I think it is right to play slow here in a big field. You want somebody to improve their hand or at least have some confidence that it is the best. Now you really don't want to make a flush that isn't the straight flush, since you hold the nuts now, but there are plenty of flushes to beat you. Still, if you think you're looking to a big pair or overcards you might bet the flop and check the turn or check the flop and see where things go. I wouldn't say that your play was disasterous, but I do think that your postanalysis is right in that playing slow is probably better her. | ||
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| Re: Think I messed this up?, noiseboy, 15. May 2003 15:11 | ||
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| If you see my above post, I think maybe the fact that I got burned earlier on a slow play, splitting a pot I should've won, may have influenced me to come out firing. Also, I guess betting would be more correct if I really didn't have the nut straight which I misread in the heat of the moment, on the chance that I might win right there, but still have enough outs to make it worth a bet. Thanks for the input stdioh. | ||
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| Re: Think I messed this up?, Big_Slick, 15. May 2003 15:43 | ||
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| I would have bet and tried to end it right there. here's why... One of the other 2 might have had pocket spades like you which means if a 3rd spade falls, you are probably beaten with a better slush. One of the other 2 could have had 10-J or J-Q. If you would have slow played it, you could have given them the chance to fill a larger straight. Now, if the flop had come 4-5-8 with only, then I would definately recommend a slow play... especially if there were less than 2 spades. These are the types of plays where you think you're in the drivers seat until the hand is over and you end up getting slapped. So whether it was on purpose or not, I think you made the right play. Besides, you can't ever complain about winning a pot, no matter what the size. One last thing... don't ever count on the nut straight flush falling for you... the odds are just too great. Not that it doesn't happen because obviously it does. But since they are so rare, I wouldn't ever figure that probability when determining how to play a hand. When they do fall, try not to piss your pants like I witnessed at a 10/20 game once in Vegas. The woman was so excited that she... well... couldn't contain herself. I couldn't believe either had happened. | ||
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| Re: Think I messed this up?, noiseboy, 15. May 2003 15:59 | ||
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| That a good point, the player who raised was a little too good to be raising me with JT, and he was playing very aggressive in general and sorta on a rush, so I kind've felt the blind had something good too, to overcome the intimidation factor. However, JT or QJ aren't unreasonable to call one raise out of the blinds, although I would have to say that this particular player would probably have to have AK AQ, KQ or AJ. However, with fewer players, it is a lot less likely that I'm against another flush draw, although with more players it would definitely be wrong to try to sandbag because of that danger. Also, i know that st8 flushes are pretty rare, but there's still two cards in there which could make someone an A flush and me a St8 flush, in which case I'm certain to win a mountain of bets. And if someone does hit a nut flush on the turn, at least I'm not completely dead, though pretty close to it. | ||
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| Re: Think I messed this up?, Big_Slick, 15. May 2003 16:16 | ||
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| Good points, NB | ||
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| Re: Think I messed this up?, Andrew Wells, 19. May 2003 22:18 | ||
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| No, you make someone with a higher flush draw pay to beat you. Plus you may get quite a bit of action from a set. If you slow play the flop and show strength on the turn, you're only going to get played with by a hand that has enough outs and pot odds to beat you. | ||
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