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 Gotta love it..., Big_Slick, 14. May 2003 14:35 | ||
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| It's down to 3 tables in a HLHE tourney. Here's the breakdown... Antes: $1,000 Blinds are $3,000 and $6,000 respectfully I'm on the button and get dealt K-10. I've only got about $40,000 which puts me in the bottom 25%. My chips are disappearing fast so I decide to make a move. I raise 2 limpers and make it $12,000 to go. The small blind calls, everyone else folds. So it's me and Mr. SB. The flop comes 2-8-K. He checks to me. I go all in with the rest of my stack (about $38,000). I'm hoping that he will consider this a poor opportunity and just fold gracefully. Well, he decides to go all in with me. He shows a 4-8. A 4-8?? I'm pretty excited until the turn brings a third 8. Um... who in their right mind makes this sort of call?? This player had about $80,000 in chips so it wasn't like he was feeling desperate to make a move himself. Well, I just laughed shrugged it off and was about to log off when 2 other players at the table said "nice hand". NICE HAND???? What planet are they from? I wanted to say "Even the sun shines on a dog's ass once in a while." But I didn't. I typed "Yes, great hand." He missed my sarcasm. I could handle losing to the 8's. But to congratulate him on a nice hand?? Boy, that burned me. Gotta love it. | ||
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| Re: Gotta love it..., Big_Slick, 14. May 2003 14:37 | ||
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| I go all in with the rest of my stack (about $38,000). I meant to say $28,000. | ||
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| Re: Gotta love it..., Jav, 14. May 2003 15:18 | ||
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| "Nice Hand" can mean a lot of things. It can mean what it appears to mean, but just as frequently it means "what the hell are you doing calling and getting lucky with that crap". Other people were just happy to see one more person out of the tournament. It was just a plus for them to learn about the bad decision making from one of the remaining players... | ||
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| Re: Gotta love it..., noiseboy, 14. May 2003 16:15 | ||
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| I think one of the main tenets of poker should be to always compliment bad play. After all, you want him to keep playing that way in the future! | ||
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| Re: Gotta love it... maybe Game Theory?, flintsword, 14. May 2003 18:14 | ||
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| There is a ***great*** article by Roy Cooke in the recent CARDPLAYER magazine that "translates" what poker players say, ... into what poker players mean. In your case Big_Slick, you will have a great laugh. If you can't find a copy, answer me and I will type the relevant passage into the forum here, ... it is hilarious. Or maybe Roy can supply the LINK so you can read it! (hint hint) I was recently on vacation in Las Vegas and experienced the unique poker sarcasm that only really works in a B & M environment. I was experimenting with the ideas in Sklansky's chapter on Game Theory deciding to bluff with a raise whenever 7 4 comes up in my game. I got a caller this time, and got a 744 flop. An embarrassing position. I felt like mucking the hand just because of what it was! Now, I played 7 4 not because of any value, but as a completely random method to inject bluffs into my game which is generally bluff free (a mistake, I know ...). Not surprisingly, the pot got huge and I won with the boat. I also earned a scathing "nice hand fishcakes" from Mr. Personality that had just had his aces cracked. I would be interested in knowing if any good players have used this random approach to inject bluffs into their game as discussed by Sklansky and what kind of result they got. flintsword | ||
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| Re: Gotta love it... maybe Game Theory?, Big_Slick, 14. May 2003 18:50 | ||
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| Good stuff, flintsword. I don't have a copy of the article... maybe I'll try their web site. I've got to know... what happened the rest of the night? Did everyone call every one of your bets after the 4-7? Did you decide that the next hand you played would have to be a great hand? I had a similar experience once. I played a 2-3 totally intending to fold after the flop and "show" my cards. Well, the flop came A-4-5 and I won a huge pot. A player at the table was slow playing aces and got visibly shaken when I flipped over my 2-3. He didn't say anything but I kind of had an idea what he was thinking. It gets better... The very next hand, I find myself with pocket aces. I raise pre-flop knowing I'm gonna get some action. I get re-raised by my "new friend". He's probably both on-tilt and also thinking that I'm playing another crap hand. We max out before the flop and I end up winning another huge pot. After that hand, my friend left the table. It is this type of play that makes people talk to themselves in a grocery store. Great stuff. | ||
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| Re: Gotta love it... maybe Game Theory?, noiseboy, 15. May 2003 13:44 | ||
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| I usually like to try to bluff when I think others might be bluffing. When I'm pretty sure someone is trying for the steal, I might counter bluff and pop them back with nada, but you have to be pretty sure about your read on the opponent that he is on a steal or you are just throwing money down the drain. Sometimes you are wrong about them being on the steal, and the flop will come with trash giving you two pair and you can win a big pot, and get a fishy reputation. It's a risky play, but sometimes you have to do it against an over-aggressive player who is trying to run you over. | ||
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| Re: Gotta love it..., stdioh, 15. May 2003 10:23 | ||
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| "Nice hand," means, enjoy my chips you "F"ing fish. Die of AIDS and burn in hell. The sarcasm is most thinly veiled. As for the hand, you really shouldn't have been raising that in the first place. Two limpers would scare me there and I would fold it. Sure, you got your money in while you had the best of it and a bad player sucked out. It happens all the time. That's not exactly a bad beat that doesn't happen often. Get your flopped quads beaten by running quads and *then* complain about that. | ||
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| Re: Gotta love it..., Big_Slick, 15. May 2003 11:28 | ||
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| As for the hand, you really shouldn't have been raising that in the first place. Two limpers would scare me there and I would fold it. Well, obviously we play different styles. You play scared and I'm aggressive. At this point in the game, I'm losing $20,000 every time the button goes 'round. Rather than wait for an excellent hand, I opted to represent a larger hand than I had. It worked rather well as 2 of the 3 folded. Sure, you got your money in while you had the best of it Isn't that what poker is all about? Given the chance, I'd make the same play 10 times out of 10. I'm not one of those tourney players that folds their last 20 hands waiting for the perfect hand. Sometimes, you need to create your own perfect hand. That's not exactly a bad beat that doesn't happen often. Get your flopped quads beaten by running quads and *then* complain about that. Re-read my post... I wasn't complaining about a bad beat. I was simply sharing how amused I was that 2 people at the table thought this fish had made a good play. Like I said, I can handle the set getting flopped -- and you are correct -- it does happen all the time. I just find it hilarious how, every time I play, players are congratulating other players on their bonehead plays. | ||
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| Re: Gotta love it..., Wren, 15. May 2003 14:00 | ||
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| The other players were most likely being sarcastic as well. Hell - they want him/her continuing to make those boneheaded plays against the rest of them! | ||
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| Re: Gotta love it..., stdioh, 15. May 2003 15:15 | ||
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| > As for the hand, you really shouldn't have been raising that in the first place. Two > limpers would scare me there and I would fold it. > Well, obviously we play different styles. You play scared and I'm aggressive. At this > point in the game, I'm losing $20,000 every time the button goes 'round. Rather than wait > for an excellent hand, I opted to represent a larger hand than I had. It worked rather > well as 2 of the 3 folded. I play very agressively and at times, when appropriate, loose. But what I don't do is raise two limpers during panic time in a tournament unless I have something very good. I just don't think your cards were enough...I'd rather throw that money out there on a steal or when I have a legitimate hand and possibly no opposition. > Sure, you got your money in while you had the best of it > Isn't that what poker is all about? Given the chance, I'd make the same play 10 times out > of 10. I'm not one of those tourney players that folds their last 20 hands waiting for the > perfect hand. Sometimes, you need to create your own perfect hand. Agreed, getting your money in when you have the best of it is the way to go, but results are nothing. Play is everything. I think that was a dangerous play. There are times to play balls out and times to hold on and at the end of a tourney, balls out play should take place preflop. > That's not exactly a bad beat that doesn't happen often. Get your flopped quads beaten > by running quads and *then* complain about that. > Re-read my post... I wasn't complaining about a bad beat. I was simply sharing how amused > I was that 2 people at the table thought this fish had made a good play. Like I said, I > can handle the set getting flopped -- and you are correct -- it does happen all the time. > I just find it hilarious how, every time I play, players are congratulating other players > on their bonehead plays. That's my point. Nobody was congratulating him on a good play. They were encouraging his bad playing behaviour. When somebody draws extremely thin and gets there, fishing out on me badly, I'll always compliment him on a good play. If anything it'll encourage him to keep doing that crap and pay me off eventually. If they were decent players at all, that's all they were doing. | ||
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| Re: Gotta love it..., Wren, 15. May 2003 14:02 | ||
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| One thing here - are you sure you got the details right? You raised the minimum and both limpers folded? That seems highly unlikely to me. | ||
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| Re: Gotta love it..., stdioh, 15. May 2003 15:17 | ||
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| Indeed. Unless I perceived you as a huge rock, I wouldn't lay down my limp to a minimum raise. If I thought you were the sort to play TKo, I'd be pushing in with my small pair. | ||
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| Re: Gotta love it..., Big_Slick, 15. May 2003 15:22 | ||
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| Hey Wren, It was a WPO warm-up over at poker pages. The top 10 make it to the next round. We were down to 30 people and everyone was walking on egg shells wanting to win a spot in the next round. So, everyone was biding time and choosing their battles carefully. That explains the 2 folds. This was another reason I was surprised that this guy called my bet. | ||
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| Re: Gotta love it..., stdioh, 16. May 2003 10:16 | ||
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| The people who folded there are pretty bad players then. If you're afraid of calling a minimum raise with your cards then they are not good enough to limp with. | ||
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