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 calling all in or close to it bets, Piers Majestyk, 14. May 2003 09:08 | ||
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| I just finished playing a pot limit tournament where I raised to 150.00 (blinds 50 and 25) with QQ. All fold to the BB who calls with 65. I have 675.00 left. The flop brings 887 rainbow. I bet the pot 325.00 and get called, turn is a rag I go all in for remaining 250.00 and get called, river is a 4 and I lose the pot. I realized the guy took way the worse of it with his call on the flop but was actually getting correct odds to call on the turn (4.9 pot odds/4.75 making straight). My question, in the same situation with a straight draw how much of a dog can you be to call if you know the turn and river are free due to the better being allin? | ||
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| Re: calling all in or close to it bets, stdioh, 14. May 2003 10:55 | ||
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| If you know that you can get somebody all-in then all this does is destroy implied odds. Let us get a pathalogical example going. If you flop a draw up/down to a straight flush, you have a slightly better than 50% chance of winning the hand, assuming that your opponent is on overcards and doesn't hold any flush cards. Now, you could push all-in here as you want to take the pot right away. You could also fold to a large overbet because you don't want to risk your last few tournament chips on a crapshoot. What is totally wrong to do here is build a pot. Well, let me rephrase that...if you assume that your opponent has you on a draw, you shouldn't be building a pot. If you call a small bet or make a small bet that gets called, it is more money in the pot. Your astute opponent will be heavilly if a brick falls, knowing that your pot odds will vanish there and he can take down the whole built pot. In order to protect yourself from that action, you really want to take away his implied odds if you don't hit on the turn by putting all your money in. Basically, this robs him of the ability to make you perform a -EV call later on if you don't hit and prevents him from making an easy fold if you do hit. Now in the case you're talking about the guy who beat you was a giant fish who got lucky, but the same holds true. If you have the best of it and know that you do, get lots of money in there on the flop. If the turn doesn't hit, then no draw is going to have odds to call a big bet. Thus you want to make sure that there is enough money left in each stack that you can force your opponent to either call on his draw incorrectly or fold off the money that he has already invested. Another way to look at it is this. The draw has good odds if he knows that he will be allowed to see a river card and the draw doesn't have odds if he only gets to see a turn. And he knows that he won't get to see a river if the turn doesn't hit him and that he doesn't need to see a river if the turn doesn't hit him. Therefore, the draw basically has a choice of going all in or getting out of the hand. If the draw is crappy, he should be happy to fold. All that said, I would be worried about a bad player who plays on a paired board like that when I am holding overcards. Knowing that he would call my preflop raise with crap, I'd be worried about trips. I wouldn't want to give free cards, but I would want to either push all in on the turn there if I thought he was drawing, or not bet at all if I thought he was sandbagging. | ||
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| Re: calling all in or close to it bets, Piers Majestyk, 14. May 2003 12:28 | ||
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| Thanks for the insights. | ||
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